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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5809337" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, this is exactly what I'm talking about.The classes AREN'T designed around narrow concepts.&nbsp; They are presented that way, sure, but they really, really aren't.&nbsp; You can make a striker, defender or controller fighter straight out of the PHB.&nbsp; You can make a controller, striker or defender Warlord right out of the PHB.&nbsp; You can make a striker wizard ridiculously easily.Even a fairly quick perusal of the powers shows that this can be done.Will your striker wizard be as good of a striker as, say, the Ranger?&nbsp; Probably not.&nbsp; But, again, being better than the specialist isn't the same as being bad.&nbsp; About the only build that wizards can't really do, at least straight out of the PHB is leader and that's because only leaders have healing powers.The narrowness of concept only applies if you don't bother looking past the initial presentations and start digging a bit deeper into the mechanics.I don't mean to be dismissive, but, when people say that you have these straight jacket roles imposed on classes, it's a point that's pretty easily disproved.&nbsp; It only remains true if your metric for a character is that he must be as good or better than any specialist.&nbsp; A warlock will not be a better controller than a wizard.&nbsp; That's absolutely true.&nbsp; but, he will be a better controller out of the box than any other non-controller and he's not all that far behind the wizard.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5809337, member: 22779"] But, this is exactly what I'm talking about. The classes AREN'T designed around narrow concepts. They are presented that way, sure, but they really, really aren't. You can make a striker, defender or controller fighter straight out of the PHB. You can make a controller, striker or defender Warlord right out of the PHB. You can make a striker wizard ridiculously easily. Even a fairly quick perusal of the powers shows that this can be done. Will your striker wizard be as good of a striker as, say, the Ranger? Probably not. But, again, being better than the specialist isn't the same as being bad. About the only build that wizards can't really do, at least straight out of the PHB is leader and that's because only leaders have healing powers. The narrowness of concept only applies if you don't bother looking past the initial presentations and start digging a bit deeper into the mechanics. I don't mean to be dismissive, but, when people say that you have these straight jacket roles imposed on classes, it's a point that's pretty easily disproved. It only remains true if your metric for a character is that he must be as good or better than any specialist. A warlock will not be a better controller than a wizard. That's absolutely true. but, he will be a better controller out of the box than any other non-controller and he's not all that far behind the wizard. [/QUOTE]

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