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<blockquote data-quote="boredgremlin" data-source="post: 5813638" data-attributes="member: 31646">I&nbsp; thought the 4e roles were dumb&nbsp; and limiting. What I would do is this. Give each class a primary ability focus, from this list. warrior,healer,sneakspecialty casterfaceThen let each player choose a lesser focus from this listwarriorhealersneakspecialty caster. skill monkeyfaceleader&nbsp;&nbsp; LOL get it? Cross training like the special forces. You want a ranger? Warrior major focus, sneak minor. Want a ninja? Sneak/ warrior. Want a gladiator who was raised in the pits? Warior/warrior. &nbsp; The options are basically endless. Maybe even give a tertiary focus as well that players can customize. Faceskill monkeywarrior sneak, casterleader. healer&nbsp;want a 3e rogue?&nbsp; sneak/skill monkey/ warrior palidan? warrior/ face/ healerYou want spartacus? warrior/ warrior/ leadercaesar? face, skill monkey/ warriorClassic wizened sage? Skill monkey, caster/skill monkeyNote I list specialty caster because I think the key to killing codzilla is limiting casters by school more. Let them pick one or two for each focus on caster. If I had my way thats they way they would handle classes in 5e. Your first choice goes with your class name and adjusts attack bonuses and saves, skills and some powers/feats/ whatever they call them in 5e. 2nd choice gives additional abilities, class skills, but smaller list then 1st choice3rd choice follows suit. &nbsp;Get rid of multi-classing and maybe give players the ability to add a new focus every few levels if they choose.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="boredgremlin, post: 5813638, member: 31646"] I thought the 4e roles were dumb and limiting. What I would do is this. Give each class a primary ability focus, from this list. warrior, healer, sneak specialty caster face Then let each player choose a lesser focus from this list warrior healer sneak specialty caster. skill monkey face leader LOL get it? Cross training like the special forces. You want a ranger? Warrior major focus, sneak minor. Want a ninja? Sneak/ warrior. Want a gladiator who was raised in the pits? Warior/warrior. The options are basically endless. Maybe even give a tertiary focus as well that players can customize. Face skill monkey warrior sneak, caster leader. healer want a 3e rogue? sneak/skill monkey/ warrior palidan? warrior/ face/ healer You want spartacus? warrior/ warrior/ leader caesar? face, skill monkey/ warrior Classic wizened sage? Skill monkey, caster/skill monkey Note I list specialty caster because I think the key to killing codzilla is limiting casters by school more. Let them pick one or two for each focus on caster. If I had my way thats they way they would handle classes in 5e. Your first choice goes with your class name and adjusts attack bonuses and saves, skills and some powers/feats/ whatever they call them in 5e. 2nd choice gives additional abilities, class skills, but smaller list then 1st choice 3rd choice follows suit. Get rid of multi-classing and maybe give players the ability to add a new focus every few levels if they choose. [/QUOTE]

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