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<blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 5813700" data-attributes="member: 7883">&quot;I have to admit, I've never really understood the dislike of roles, other than &quot;Oh noes, it's from video games, it must be baaaaaaad!&quot; Which, honestly, I have no patience for.Good grief, I don't even play video games and I can still recognize that that MOUNTAIN of analysis that has been applied to how video games work is of great value in RPG design. There are differences between TTRPG's and video games of course. But, there are a number of similarities as well. A number of the basic concepts do port back and forth.&quot;Roles in video games are set up both for game balance, and as part of how the games themselves are built, due to their inherently much more limited scope than tabletop RPGs.That's why implementing those ideas into tabletop doesn't work.&nbsp; You're creating inherent limitations for no reason, in an environment that is inherently *unlimited* by comparison.&nbsp; In the CRPG, they need to control things much more tightly, for what the programmers and designers have been able to setup, design, and program.&nbsp; So, you get limits, like with Oblivion and Skyrim, where spellcasters can't fly, when they could in Morrowind.&nbsp; It translates into how the game is &quot;supposed&quot; to be played, but was implemented due to a technical limitation related to the &quot;zones&quot; in the game, skyboxes etc. and fundamental differences in the game engines.There's no need to introduce these arbitrary limitations into a tabletop game.It's not like if a fighter picks up a bow in a tabletop game, all of a sudden the four legs will fall off the gaming table, and the players sitting around the tablet will spontaneously fly off and get embedded into the walls of the room or something.Why can't the roles be more like guides?&nbsp; Leave the actual character structure open, so different characters can fill different roles depending on what the player wants their character to do.&nbsp; Anything that says &quot;if you want to be an archer, you're a ranger&quot; is inherently limiting, and unnecessary.Banshee</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Banshee16, post: 5813700, member: 7883"] "I have to admit, I've never really understood the dislike of roles, other than "Oh noes, it's from video games, it must be baaaaaaad!" Which, honestly, I have no patience for. Good grief, I don't even play video games and I can still recognize that that MOUNTAIN of analysis that has been applied to how video games work is of great value in RPG design. There are differences between TTRPG's and video games of course. But, there are a number of similarities as well. A number of the basic concepts do port back and forth." Roles in video games are set up both for game balance, and as part of how the games themselves are built, due to their inherently much more limited scope than tabletop RPGs. That's why implementing those ideas into tabletop doesn't work. You're creating inherent limitations for no reason, in an environment that is inherently *unlimited* by comparison. In the CRPG, they need to control things much more tightly, for what the programmers and designers have been able to setup, design, and program. So, you get limits, like with Oblivion and Skyrim, where spellcasters can't fly, when they could in Morrowind. It translates into how the game is "supposed" to be played, but was implemented due to a technical limitation related to the "zones" in the game, skyboxes etc. and fundamental differences in the game engines. There's no need to introduce these arbitrary limitations into a tabletop game. It's not like if a fighter picks up a bow in a tabletop game, all of a sudden the four legs will fall off the gaming table, and the players sitting around the tablet will spontaneously fly off and get embedded into the walls of the room or something. Why can't the roles be more like guides? Leave the actual character structure open, so different characters can fill different roles depending on what the player wants their character to do. Anything that says "if you want to be an archer, you're a ranger" is inherently limiting, and unnecessary. Banshee [/QUOTE]

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