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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 5819232" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>Well, the role of the bard was jack of all trades in 2E, not so much a leader (though he had some abilities that allowed him to boost the parties performance a bit). The thief was a trap monkey and out of combat stealth/theif in 2e. Backstab was there to give them something to use in combat, but it wasn't their focus. The striker concept doesn't really line up with what they were unless you strip away essential elements. The mage had spells that might fall under the controller label but they were much, much more than that. They were basically rule benders. They could change the fabric of reality through magic. Summoning monsters, teleportation, unseen servant, fireball, lightning bolt, speak with dead, animate dead, divinations, illusions, etc. They were a colorful class that advanced slowly, died easily and cast spells at some risk. To me, the roles of 4E really dont match my experience of D&amp;D over the years.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 5819232, member: 85555"] Well, the role of the bard was jack of all trades in 2E, not so much a leader (though he had some abilities that allowed him to boost the parties performance a bit). The thief was a trap monkey and out of combat stealth/theif in 2e. Backstab was there to give them something to use in combat, but it wasn't their focus. The striker concept doesn't really line up with what they were unless you strip away essential elements. The mage had spells that might fall under the controller label but they were much, much more than that. They were basically rule benders. They could change the fabric of reality through magic. Summoning monsters, teleportation, unseen servant, fireball, lightning bolt, speak with dead, animate dead, divinations, illusions, etc. They were a colorful class that advanced slowly, died easily and cast spells at some risk. To me, the roles of 4E really dont match my experience of D&D over the years. [/QUOTE]

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