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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 5822701" data-attributes="member: 85555">It is about assuming good faith, not jumping to conclusions and staying on point. This is a forum, there are people on both sides who make incorrect statements or make claims about editions they have little experience with. You dont see me accusing anyone of not having played 1E, 2E or 3E, just because I sense an innacuracy in thir argument. Look, there are a number of reasons these things come up. Sometimes people are incorrect or overstate despite having played the edition; sometimes they dont remember correctly, sometimes experiences genuinely differ (as seems to be the case with the whole casting failure debate you are having), and yes sometimes folks make uninformed statements. But the whole, &quot;i don't think you have ever played 4E&quot; thing has become a rhetorical cudgel. It is usually at best a wild assumption and it poisons the dialogue for those of us who have played it and just have a different opinion than 4E fans. Keep in mind just because someone says &quot;i dont like how 4E doesn't let me do X&quot; and you offer a solution that doesn't mean the person was lying or didn't play. Nor does it mean your solution is satisfactory. We alo know the ranger solution for the two weapon fighter for instance, but not everyone accepts it as a good way to handle the issue. And many solutions offered still dont get around the chef complaints.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 5822701, member: 85555"] It is about assuming good faith, not jumping to conclusions and staying on point. This is a forum, there are people on both sides who make incorrect statements or make claims about editions they have little experience with. You dont see me accusing anyone of not having played 1E, 2E or 3E, just because I sense an innacuracy in thir argument. Look, there are a number of reasons these things come up. Sometimes people are incorrect or overstate despite having played the edition; sometimes they dont remember correctly, sometimes experiences genuinely differ (as seems to be the case with the whole casting failure debate you are having), and yes sometimes folks make uninformed statements. But the whole, "i don't think you have ever played 4E" thing has become a rhetorical cudgel. It is usually at best a wild assumption and it poisons the dialogue for those of us who have played it and just have a different opinion than 4E fans. Keep in mind just because someone says "i dont like how 4E doesn't let me do X" and you offer a solution that doesn't mean the person was lying or didn't play. Nor does it mean your solution is satisfactory. We alo know the ranger solution for the two weapon fighter for instance, but not everyone accepts it as a good way to handle the issue. And many solutions offered still dont get around the chef complaints. [/QUOTE]

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