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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6462647" data-attributes="member: 4937"><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Joy, happiness, weal, health, pleasure, prosperity, and so forth are all good things.&nbsp; If even evil enjoys such things, it's an admission that weal, health, and the like are the objects which are desirable.&nbsp;&nbsp; Evil doesn't do evil so that joy and pleasure may abound all the more, as if team good was hoarding or withholding happiness and it was evil's job to spread it around.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's just how evil markets itself, because otherwise, no one who wasn't already wholly ruined would play for team evil.I wish I could agree with you, because a real zombie apocalypse would be analogous to the triumph of evil.&nbsp; But In reality, zombie apocalypse fiction is exactly like your initial attempt to escape the darkness by clearly delineating the sides and the means for winning - notably by kicking butt.&nbsp; Zombie apocalypse fiction is actually about giving yourself vicarious justification for enjoying killing the bad guys.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's ultimately about tickling the lizard brain with violence fantasies - &quot;What would I do in the event of a zombie apocalypse?&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; And ultimately, in most zombie fiction we see the same moral arc being played out that I predicted and spoke about concerning slasher movies.&nbsp;&nbsp; The longer it plays out, the more functional and happy the zombies are portrayed, and the more empathy that we are expected as an audience to have for the zombies until ultimately the zombies become the good guys in the story and the living the monsters.&nbsp;&nbsp; Romeo who invented the genera basically does this with his story arcs.&nbsp; And something like &quot;The Girl with All the Gifts&quot; is actually the near the end state of zombie fetishization, in the same way that we end up with something like Twilight as the end state of vampire fetishization.&nbsp; Because ultimately real dark doesn't stop with you imagining the horror; it involves you forgetting the horror and then coming to lust after it as a thing to be desired.&nbsp; You start with fearing the zombies, but you end up worshiping them.&nbsp;&nbsp; You start with fearing the vampires, but you end up wanting to be one.Notice that pretty much any zombie apocalypse without survivors, always has the zombies themselves be the survivors?&nbsp; That's not yet dark.&nbsp;&nbsp; Real dark is what you started with - no one survives, they are eternally hungry to the point of physical pain but have nothing to feed on, eternally hateful but with nothing left to vent their hate on, eternally lusting but lacking even a decayed organ to satiate the lust with nor anyone beautiful left to desire, and they have not enough rationality left to even realize what they are much less do anything about it, locked into this existence without power or capacity to choose anything else even if they could want to.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6462647, member: 4937"] :) Joy, happiness, weal, health, pleasure, prosperity, and so forth are all good things. If even evil enjoys such things, it's an admission that weal, health, and the like are the objects which are desirable. Evil doesn't do evil so that joy and pleasure may abound all the more, as if team good was hoarding or withholding happiness and it was evil's job to spread it around. That's just how evil markets itself, because otherwise, no one who wasn't already wholly ruined would play for team evil. I wish I could agree with you, because a real zombie apocalypse would be analogous to the triumph of evil. But In reality, zombie apocalypse fiction is exactly like your initial attempt to escape the darkness by clearly delineating the sides and the means for winning - notably by kicking butt. Zombie apocalypse fiction is actually about giving yourself vicarious justification for enjoying killing the bad guys. It's ultimately about tickling the lizard brain with violence fantasies - "What would I do in the event of a zombie apocalypse?" And ultimately, in most zombie fiction we see the same moral arc being played out that I predicted and spoke about concerning slasher movies. The longer it plays out, the more functional and happy the zombies are portrayed, and the more empathy that we are expected as an audience to have for the zombies until ultimately the zombies become the good guys in the story and the living the monsters. Romeo who invented the genera basically does this with his story arcs. And something like "The Girl with All the Gifts" is actually the near the end state of zombie fetishization, in the same way that we end up with something like Twilight as the end state of vampire fetishization. Because ultimately real dark doesn't stop with you imagining the horror; it involves you forgetting the horror and then coming to lust after it as a thing to be desired. You start with fearing the zombies, but you end up worshiping them. You start with fearing the vampires, but you end up wanting to be one. Notice that pretty much any zombie apocalypse without survivors, always has the zombies themselves be the survivors? That's not yet dark. Real dark is what you started with - no one survives, they are eternally hungry to the point of physical pain but have nothing to feed on, eternally hateful but with nothing left to vent their hate on, eternally lusting but lacking even a decayed organ to satiate the lust with nor anyone beautiful left to desire, and they have not enough rationality left to even realize what they are much less do anything about it, locked into this existence without power or capacity to choose anything else even if they could want to. [/QUOTE]

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