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<blockquote data-quote="Gammadoodler" data-source="post: 9330682" data-attributes="member: 6914290">Re: risk of failure.1. Neither saves nor attack rolls apply to buff spells, heal spells, or quite a few environment manipulation type spells. Those can be executed perfectly..every time..everywhere.2. Perhaps there is a difference in narration, but I think there's a bit more.&nbsp; Typically attack roll that do not succeed result in a &quot;miss&quot;. Saving throw spells are &quot;resisted&quot; (and typically deal 1/2 damage to the target regardless. In neither case do you see the caster fail to produce the desired spell effect, or risk any danger whatsoever in manipulating the fundamental elements of existence.Re: Conditions and the wizard.. Cuffing the Wizard does not, AFAIK, prevent spellcasting in any way. Gagging them prevents 1 component, but not the 2 others, and is not a condition that is readily available through any ability in the PHB (maybe the monsters have it IDK?). Same with silence spell, but it is only applicable to caster-type creatures. So to fully prevent casting, they'd need to be gagged (or under the effects of a fairly uncommon spell), and bound in a way the rules do not describe.Compare this with the Frightened condition on martials (especially melee) where it, at a minimum, meaningfully debuffs attacks, but has the potential to wholesale prevent them from participating in the fight. Poisoned applies a debuff wizards can ignore by casting save or buff spells; Grappled and Restrained have zero impact upon casting; Prone doesn't either..etc. Some/most/all of these should impact caster effectiveness somehow. We can do better.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gammadoodler, post: 9330682, member: 6914290"] Re: risk of failure. 1. Neither saves nor attack rolls apply to buff spells, heal spells, or quite a few environment manipulation type spells. Those can be executed perfectly..every time..everywhere. 2. Perhaps there is a difference in narration, but I think there's a bit more. Typically attack roll that do not succeed result in a "miss". Saving throw spells are "resisted" (and typically deal 1/2 damage to the target regardless. In neither case do you see the caster fail to produce the desired spell effect, or risk any danger whatsoever in manipulating the fundamental elements of existence. Re: Conditions and the wizard.. Cuffing the Wizard does not, AFAIK, prevent spellcasting in any way. Gagging them prevents 1 component, but not the 2 others, and is not a condition that is readily available through any ability in the PHB (maybe the monsters have it IDK?). Same with silence spell, but it is only applicable to caster-type creatures. So to fully prevent casting, they'd need to be gagged (or under the effects of a fairly uncommon spell), and bound in a way the rules do not describe. Compare this with the Frightened condition on martials (especially melee) where it, at a minimum, meaningfully debuffs attacks, but has the potential to wholesale prevent them from participating in the fight. Poisoned applies a debuff wizards can ignore by casting save or buff spells; Grappled and Restrained have zero impact upon casting; Prone doesn't either..etc. Some/most/all of these should impact caster effectiveness somehow. We can do better. [/QUOTE]

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