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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4560137" data-attributes="member: 710">I find this idea interesting, but where is really the improvement or change to 4E? You define 4 slots, and say each slot gets more options? This still means you end up with 10 or more different powers.The change I notice is that you no longer define class roles but power roles (which work very similar to the class roles). This certainly is an interesting approach, but I am not seeing how you expect to avoid the deck of 10 different powers.I think this approach would be brilliant for a single-player game, by the way - because if every class has powers for the "roles", you never have a glaring weakness (aside from a lower party size <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ). So... I guess what I am saying is that your approach is videogamey? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> If it's any consolation for you, I am not using this term as an insult. And it's not MMORPGy - MMORPG benefit well from classes with fixed roles since you expect groups of players to tackle quests and dungeons.  A single-player campaign for Neverwinter Nights... not so much.I think the reason is that talents are often just class-specific feats. Another reason is tactical resource management and time-independent class balance.Talents can work in different ways: - They can give a constant benefit (A bonus or a new combat ability)- They can give a one-time benefit (once per day, once per encounter, and so on).If you just have constant benefits for every class, there is very little in the way of tactical resource management. You don't have to make any smart choices about when to use which talent. Or can "undo" a bad choice by using a costly one-time benefit.You're always having the benefit and can do it anytime.If you give only one-time bonus, you lose the chance for variety. If you create a mix of talents, some constant/at-will, others one-time benefits, you have to balance powers that are "at-will" against powers that are "per day" or "per encounter". But now you no longer have a time-independent balance assured - a character A with a lot of daily refreshing powers will be stronger if he has a lot of time and can recover their powers, while a character B with a lot of at-will powers will always be of the same strength. So if you can afford the 15 minute adventuring day, character A is more effective then B, and if they have to fight through an encounter dungeon in one day, B "wins". You can no longer achieve a character balance without defining your "average work day" and put measures in place to enforce that. So, this naturally leads to the 4E approach: Everyone has the same number of at-wills, encounters and dailies (plus a light, class and race based variance). You keep all the options for tactical resource management, without introducing time as a character balance changer.</blockquote>

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