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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DanMcS" data-source="post: 1513421" data-attributes="member: 6530">A special dungeon, one which has qualities not typically found.  You're not screwing them, it's just different.  You are constraining them, but constraints force creativity.  We've all promptly started working around them.It wasn't particularly a value judgement on you.  Read piratecat's story hour, his last long series of updates has consisted of the PCs being in a big dungeon (the underdark) where teleports don't work and then a thing happened to mess up divinations too.It's always children; that part I will make a value judgement on.  Using child hostages is an attempt to get a quicky emotional rise out of the players.  Some DM someday is going to run into problems because his players don't care about the children and let them get eaten by the bad guys.  Use some fluffy bunnies or kittens or something, whydoncha.The spell has a smallish area of effect compared to the size of the mountain, I assume.  And that's something they could use divination on.  "If I throw an earthquake over here, will it affect the gate on the other side of the mountain."</blockquote>