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<blockquote data-quote="mxyzplk" data-source="post: 3982725" data-attributes="member: 16450">I like a lot of these ideas, and arguably I'm a Greyhawk grognard (and was a Living Greyhawk triad).&nbsp; I don't think it'd be necessary to advance the timeline *that* far (like 100 years) - there was plenty of change from 1e to Wars to From the Ashes to the LG Gazetteer.&nbsp; It would also be nice if they used some of the huge amounts of fan-created material from Living Greyhawk region development; I think it would go a long way to making the fan base feel more enfranchised again.There's nothing in 4e that is different enough from 3.5e Greyhawk to justify 100 years - many of the jumpstarting ideas can happen quickly and it'd be a shame to miss out on some of the cool changes the recent Dungeon Adventure Paths (Age of Worms, Savage Tide) have added to the Greyhawk landscape (in fact, in terms of revitalizing Greyhawk those did a pretty boss job).&nbsp; And Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk.&nbsp; Iggwilv, Kyuss, Lord Robilar, Iuz, Graz'zt, Mordenkainen, Rary the Traitor...&nbsp; Loads of possible fun.&nbsp; I like the idea of Iuz being supplanted by Iggwilv; he is described as very trained after being caught in the Godtrap in Ruins.&nbsp; As for the Dragonborn - sure!&nbsp; From the Sea of Dust maybe.&nbsp; Or maybe Rary imports them from some other plane as shock troops in the Bright Desert.&nbsp; The Circle of Eight was the Citadel of Eight first, and it wasn't always all wizards.&nbsp; No need to get rid of it - it can splinter, get rid of the boring ones...&nbsp; Get Robilar back in it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mxyzplk, post: 3982725, member: 16450"] I like a lot of these ideas, and arguably I'm a Greyhawk grognard (and was a Living Greyhawk triad). I don't think it'd be necessary to advance the timeline *that* far (like 100 years) - there was plenty of change from 1e to Wars to From the Ashes to the LG Gazetteer. It would also be nice if they used some of the huge amounts of fan-created material from Living Greyhawk region development; I think it would go a long way to making the fan base feel more enfranchised again. There's nothing in 4e that is different enough from 3.5e Greyhawk to justify 100 years - many of the jumpstarting ideas can happen quickly and it'd be a shame to miss out on some of the cool changes the recent Dungeon Adventure Paths (Age of Worms, Savage Tide) have added to the Greyhawk landscape (in fact, in terms of revitalizing Greyhawk those did a pretty boss job). And Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk. Iggwilv, Kyuss, Lord Robilar, Iuz, Graz'zt, Mordenkainen, Rary the Traitor... Loads of possible fun. I like the idea of Iuz being supplanted by Iggwilv; he is described as very trained after being caught in the Godtrap in Ruins. As for the Dragonborn - sure! From the Sea of Dust maybe. Or maybe Rary imports them from some other plane as shock troops in the Bright Desert. The Circle of Eight was the Citadel of Eight first, and it wasn't always all wizards. No need to get rid of it - it can splinter, get rid of the boring ones... Get Robilar back in it. [/QUOTE]

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