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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8948160" data-attributes="member: 2629">And why do players know this?  They don't unless they read the MM, which many players do not.  Most players were reporting their observation that 4E made classes and monsters feel less distinct.  The main criticism of the monsters was the 'choose from this menu' list of abilities that tended to be similar to other monsters.That is a subjective assessment that is not shared by many.  There was a reason why the 4E design was abandoned for 5E.  The 'cookie cutter with a little nuance' nature of the design was a big reason.</blockquote>