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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8950288" data-attributes="member: 82106">Look, its fine to make comparisons, but you destroy all your credibility when you fib. I'm on P150 of the 4e MM at the Hag Entry. I t has a general paragraph about Hags, then a general 'Hag Lore' section, which has roughly 2 paragraphs of monster knowledge. It then has a section called 'Encounter Groups' which I'd judge to be another paragraph, basically that outlines 2 hag encounters, there's also some color text explaining hags preferences in allies. After this there are 4 more paragraphs describing general tactics and such for each type of hag. Depending on how you count it, there are 8 paragraphs, plus extensive stat blocks which outline their actual powers. It is inarguable that the 5e MM is more loquacious on the topic of hags, but OTOH I kind of wonder if that helps much. I mean, is it going to help me to have a discussion of the personal hygiene habits of hags? Honestly? I appreciate the 4e version for its sheer succinctness and lack of useless details.I mean, 4e tells me, as if I knew nothing, that hags are wise in dark magic and curses, sometimes serve other powerful entities, That they are cruel, dangerous and inhabit lonely places, and the Feywild. They bully weaker creatures, and foment trouble against mortals. At this point I already understand the basic nature of this creature and how to potentially use it. The lore part tells me they know ritual magic, and often scry, and that they sometimes gather in covens.  The rest of the lore tells me they are basically ugly-natured fey who like treasure, hate happy people, and can often be bribed with money to free captives or sell information.Then we learn they like to boss around lesser creatures, and advise stronger ones, followed by a list of creatures they can be encountered with, statted out into 2 encounters. The tactics sections (4) gives us some ideas about how they use their powers. I'm not feeling like this is a dearth of knowledge. I'd also point out that MANY of the player-facing books like the various Power books contain sidebars and other information that fleshes out a lot of the world and discusses common monsters. Those aren't in any of the Compendia, so I'd have to really look hard to find that stuff, but it exists. Also Heroes of the Feywild talks a LOT about hags.</blockquote>

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