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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8950370" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>It still seems a bit hard to see how you thematically define Blue/Arcane. I mean, one of the virtues of the M:tG color system is that they DIDN'T name the 'sources' they just called them by color names. It means NONE of them has baggage, and whatever associations were made are fairly 'clean'. So Blue, being just a color, gets associated with water, and mind/control. While it is explained as being 'mind magic' and thus might come across as similar to Arcane, it really isn't similar at all, IMHO. I would honestly equate blue with PSIONIC, not Arcane. Arcane actually feels more like colorless! All the weird artifacts and whatnot, all super high magitech lost arts. Now, maybe that creates some problems, but I don't think so, Red is elemental, and honestly does Martial have a color at all? Every color has martial heroes, they're like these Chinese Chi 'Martial Arts World' guys in their dramas, some use fire, water, ice, shadow, they're all drawing from martial and every group has its martial 'foot soldiers'. </p><p></p><p>Now, that opens up another interesting modification for 4e, which would be some kind of an 'association', sort of a PC side equivalent of the Monster Theme where you can pick up a bit of another source. MCing obviously is an existing way to depict that, but you could use Themes too, like there's a Wizard's Apprentice theme, there could also be a theme for getting a bit of divine power, etc. Some of them may even effectively exist already, I don't know for sure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8950370, member: 82106"] It still seems a bit hard to see how you thematically define Blue/Arcane. I mean, one of the virtues of the M:tG color system is that they DIDN'T name the 'sources' they just called them by color names. It means NONE of them has baggage, and whatever associations were made are fairly 'clean'. So Blue, being just a color, gets associated with water, and mind/control. While it is explained as being 'mind magic' and thus might come across as similar to Arcane, it really isn't similar at all, IMHO. I would honestly equate blue with PSIONIC, not Arcane. Arcane actually feels more like colorless! All the weird artifacts and whatnot, all super high magitech lost arts. Now, maybe that creates some problems, but I don't think so, Red is elemental, and honestly does Martial have a color at all? Every color has martial heroes, they're like these Chinese Chi 'Martial Arts World' guys in their dramas, some use fire, water, ice, shadow, they're all drawing from martial and every group has its martial 'foot soldiers'. Now, that opens up another interesting modification for 4e, which would be some kind of an 'association', sort of a PC side equivalent of the Monster Theme where you can pick up a bit of another source. MCing obviously is an existing way to depict that, but you could use Themes too, like there's a Wizard's Apprentice theme, there could also be a theme for getting a bit of divine power, etc. Some of them may even effectively exist already, I don't know for sure. [/QUOTE]
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