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<blockquote data-quote="Kannik" data-source="post: 8953347" data-attributes="member: 984">Adding to all that was noted above by to all noted above (Skill challenges!&nbsp; Rituals!&nbsp; Utility Powers! Page 42!), the only thing potentially missing was no explicit Crafting, Profession (Appraise included), or Perform skills.&nbsp; Pretty much all the social skills remain (Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate).&nbsp; So in the rare case that someone from 3.X wanted to spend their 2 skill points on a Profession skill, I suppose that is a missing.*But, at the risk of being a &quot;get off my lawn&quot; type here, none of those skills, or utilities, were available in 1e or had much of a role in 2e even if Non-Weapon Proficiencies were being used.&nbsp; Do you consider D&amp;D, AD&amp;D, and AD&amp;D 2e not roleplaying games?&nbsp; I'm not being flippant here, I honestly do want to know if you believe that and that I wasn't playing an RPG back then?&nbsp; Because if you do, I'd be interested to know where you draw the line, what explicit things need to be in an RPG for you to consider it to be a roleplaying game.&nbsp; * FWIW, I thought it was a missing and wrote and sold a supplement for it, but I never considered that without then you couldn't RP in 4e.&nbsp; (Wait, am I just noticing now that that rhymes?)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kannik, post: 8953347, member: 984"] Adding to all that was noted above by to all noted above (Skill challenges! Rituals! Utility Powers! Page 42!), the only thing potentially missing was no explicit Crafting, Profession (Appraise included), or Perform skills. Pretty much all the social skills remain (Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate). So in the rare case that someone from 3.X wanted to spend their 2 skill points on a Profession skill, I suppose that is a missing.* But, at the risk of being a "get off my lawn" type here, none of those skills, or utilities, were available in 1e or had much of a role in 2e even if Non-Weapon Proficiencies were being used. Do you consider D&D, AD&D, and AD&D 2e not roleplaying games? I'm not being flippant here, I honestly do want to know if you believe that and that I wasn't playing an RPG back then? Because if you do, I'd be interested to know where you draw the line, what explicit things need to be in an RPG for you to consider it to be a roleplaying game. * FWIW, I thought it was a missing and wrote and sold a supplement for it, but I never considered that without then you couldn't RP in 4e. (Wait, am I just noticing now that that rhymes?) [/QUOTE]

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