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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8953374" data-attributes="member: 6790260">According to my sources, there were 3,271 feats in 4e. Of them, only 154 refer to multiclassing at all, and 16 of those refer to Paragon multiclassing. While you could get some savings from condensing things down a bit (e.g., compacting every <class> multiclass feat into "choose one of the following benefits" style), you could not reduce it down to one single uber-multiclass feat for all classes, because the precise benefits given by different MC feats are...well, different. That single feat would end up taking pages and pages of text, it would be utterly ridiculous.So, collapse it down to 1 "Paragon Multiclass" feat, 25+N class-specific MC feats (with various options) where N is all those weird obscure MC feat things they made*, and you've saved...what, maybe 100, 120 feats? The actual bloat of 4e's feats comes from reams of crappy useless feats, not from MC feats. Those MC feats, for example? A good quarter of them are simply worse than alternative feats that still get you access to that class. But to do that, you'd have to actually collect information from a lot of sources or do an awful lot of by-hand evaluation, which would take ages.There is no quick fix to the absolute pile of weak feats for exactly the same reason there is no quick fix to the absolute pile of weak powers: the issue isn't the sheer number, because there should be a lot of feats and powers, but rather that a lot of them just aren't really any good and could be axed. IMO, once you've done that, then you can start talking about saving ten feats here, thirty feats there by collapsing "thematic" categories together.*Like "Bravo" and "Haunting Shade." Never really understood those feats. There's like a dozen options, I don't know the precise number and I'm not particularly inclined to track them down.</blockquote>

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