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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8955673" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Perhaps, in attempting to be systematic, I messed up. So here's the list in alphabetical order. Using the original names, not the new subclass names; extra Essentials subclasses in parentheses.</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ardent</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Artificer</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Assassin (+Executioner)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Avenger</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Barbarian (+Berserker)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bard (+Skald)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Battlemind</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Cleric (+Warpriest)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Druid (+Protector, Sentinel)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Fighter (+Knight, Slayer)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Invoker</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Monk</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Paladin (+Blackguard, Cavalier)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Psion</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ranger (+Hunter, Scout)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Rogue (+Thief)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Runepriest</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Seeker</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Shaman</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Sorcerer (+Elementalist)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Swordmage</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Vampire</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Warden</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Warlock (+Binder, Hexblade)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Warlord</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Wizard (+Bladesinger, Mage, Sha'ir, Witch)</li> </ol><p>So yes, it would seem I have been wrong these many years, since I kept saying there were 25 classes and there are 26.</p><p></p><p>I make no exceptions for any Essentials subclass; some would be removed (e.g. Berserker, probably Binder), some would be folded into the base class one way or another (e.g. Elementalist, Knight, Hexblade), and some would be folded into some other class (e.g. Slayer to Ranger.) Bladesinger always came across as simply bad design: turning Wizard <em>encounter</em> powers into its <em>dailies</em>? Really? So...that always sounded more like a subclass for cutting than for folding in. Even if I did, it would be into the <em>Swordmage</em>, not the Wizard.</p><p></p><p>The Elementalist is, in my not so humble opinion, one of the best things to come out of Essentials. It is the first truly, actually SIMPLE spellcaster in D&D history. Warlocks were always fiddly, and regular casters have a bunch of <em>stuff</em> to memorize. The Elementalist, at least to a more meaningful degree than any previous attempt, <em>actually made good</em> on the idea of a class that was unequivocally magical, undeniably <em>doing magic,</em> but in really straightforward, easily digested ways. The only other rulesets I've seen achieve this are 13A and (to a lesser extent) PF Spheres of Power, and even then I don't think either did it quite as well. I would <em>not</em> promote the Elementalist to being its own class though. It would simply be one of the main build options for Sorcerer: a more fixed, linear model for those who want to make just a few choices and then get to the MAGIC baybee!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8955673, member: 6790260"] Perhaps, in attempting to be systematic, I messed up. So here's the list in alphabetical order. Using the original names, not the new subclass names; extra Essentials subclasses in parentheses. [LIST=1] [*]Ardent [*]Artificer [*]Assassin (+Executioner) [*]Avenger [*]Barbarian (+Berserker) [*]Bard (+Skald) [*]Battlemind [*]Cleric (+Warpriest) [*]Druid (+Protector, Sentinel) [*]Fighter (+Knight, Slayer) [*]Invoker [*]Monk [*]Paladin (+Blackguard, Cavalier) [*]Psion [*]Ranger (+Hunter, Scout) [*]Rogue (+Thief) [*]Runepriest [*]Seeker [*]Shaman [*]Sorcerer (+Elementalist) [*]Swordmage [*]Vampire [*]Warden [*]Warlock (+Binder, Hexblade) [*]Warlord [*]Wizard (+Bladesinger, Mage, Sha'ir, Witch) [/LIST] So yes, it would seem I have been wrong these many years, since I kept saying there were 25 classes and there are 26. I make no exceptions for any Essentials subclass; some would be removed (e.g. Berserker, probably Binder), some would be folded into the base class one way or another (e.g. Elementalist, Knight, Hexblade), and some would be folded into some other class (e.g. Slayer to Ranger.) Bladesinger always came across as simply bad design: turning Wizard [I]encounter[/I] powers into its [I]dailies[/I]? Really? So...that always sounded more like a subclass for cutting than for folding in. Even if I did, it would be into the [I]Swordmage[/I], not the Wizard. The Elementalist is, in my not so humble opinion, one of the best things to come out of Essentials. It is the first truly, actually SIMPLE spellcaster in D&D history. Warlocks were always fiddly, and regular casters have a bunch of [I]stuff[/I] to memorize. The Elementalist, at least to a more meaningful degree than any previous attempt, [I]actually made good[/I] on the idea of a class that was unequivocally magical, undeniably [I]doing magic,[/I] but in really straightforward, easily digested ways. The only other rulesets I've seen achieve this are 13A and (to a lesser extent) PF Spheres of Power, and even then I don't think either did it quite as well. I would [I]not[/I] promote the Elementalist to being its own class though. It would simply be one of the main build options for Sorcerer: a more fixed, linear model for those who want to make just a few choices and then get to the MAGIC baybee! [/QUOTE]
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