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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thia Halmades" data-source="post: 2713474" data-attributes="member: 35863">Mmm.  Between the hating of the non-d20 board (and admittedly, the system is flawed) and the ripping on build systems, I think we have the makings of a pot/kettle discussion.  Regardless.  People have opinions; and, more importantly, as was pointed out earlier, d20 3.5 allows people to express those opinions mechanically.I don't know if I understand the original question; are you upset because someone made sacrifices to optimize?  It's power gaming; it's not a crime.  You can't really 'disallow it.'  You can discourage it, sure.  But if you have a guy who's abusing the RAW, then throw the book at him.  If it's eating at the DM, a few well placed archers will shish-kabob him.  There's more than one way, said the poet, to skin a cat.That being said, I'm anti-power game.  Agreed; I generally leave that to my Xbox or some other loud, visceral variation on that theme.  I enjoy my 4-way CRPGs like no other, but I also enjoy my gritty, rough & tumble table top.  I encourage my players to focus on what they want to accomplish in game; if that means they end up PGing the system, hey.  All I can do is use monsters creatively and make sure they're doing it within the structure of the rules.  That didn't stop my Paladin from taking Improved Unarmed Combat.It's a style question.</blockquote>