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<blockquote data-quote="Harzel" data-source="post: 7214437" data-attributes="member: 6857506"><p>They're not forgetting about context, they (or at least I) are taking account of the fact that RAW and RAI is that being invisible does not make a creature imperceptible. In this case, it sounds like you would rule that the combination of flying and invisibility automatically makes a creature imperceptible. I, on the other hand, feel that it is always up to the creature that wants to avoid detection to explicitly attempt to avoid detection (mechanically, usually a Stealth check) and only in very special cases is success guaranteed (creatures in a position to detect usually get a Perception check). It would also be possible to avoid detection by staying far enough away from those whose notice the creature wishes to avoid.</p><p></p><p>The way the case being discussed was presented, it sounds to me like the flyer made no attempt to be stealthy and passed very close by the other PCs. If that is the case, then I would definitely rule that the flyer is noticed. Narratively, that might be air movement, the rustle of clothing or equipment, odor, various bodily noises, or even brushing against one of the other PCs if the quarters are particularly close.</p><p></p><p>Other circumstances, I would handle differently. For instance, if the flyer was able to stay 30 ft away from the other PCs while going past them, they probably will not notice him (except for the complication of the wand being visible). As another example, if the flyer states that he is trying to be stealthy, he will get to make a stealth roll (with advantage if the wand weren't visible); the Perception rolls for the other PCs might or might not be at disadvantage depending on distance and what else is going on and whether the wand is visible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harzel, post: 7214437, member: 6857506"] They're not forgetting about context, they (or at least I) are taking account of the fact that RAW and RAI is that being invisible does not make a creature imperceptible. In this case, it sounds like you would rule that the combination of flying and invisibility automatically makes a creature imperceptible. I, on the other hand, feel that it is always up to the creature that wants to avoid detection to explicitly attempt to avoid detection (mechanically, usually a Stealth check) and only in very special cases is success guaranteed (creatures in a position to detect usually get a Perception check). It would also be possible to avoid detection by staying far enough away from those whose notice the creature wishes to avoid. The way the case being discussed was presented, it sounds to me like the flyer made no attempt to be stealthy and passed very close by the other PCs. If that is the case, then I would definitely rule that the flyer is noticed. Narratively, that might be air movement, the rustle of clothing or equipment, odor, various bodily noises, or even brushing against one of the other PCs if the quarters are particularly close. Other circumstances, I would handle differently. For instance, if the flyer was able to stay 30 ft away from the other PCs while going past them, they probably will not notice him (except for the complication of the wand being visible). As another example, if the flyer states that he is trying to be stealthy, he will get to make a stealth roll (with advantage if the wand weren't visible); the Perception rolls for the other PCs might or might not be at disadvantage depending on distance and what else is going on and whether the wand is visible. [/QUOTE]
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