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Message: <blockquote data-quote="plisnithus8" data-source="post: 7215704" data-attributes="member: 6870553">I can't tell if you are being sarcastic here.I'd say anything gained from meta-gaming could require a check, such as in this instance or "believing" other details where the player and PC knowledge differ.It's not that I'm saying a PC has to believe a certain way, just that a DM should have modest control over the game and not just let players achieve things because they desire to. The fact in this instance is that this is one PC's desire to not be seen vs. another's desire to think there is something invisible. A die roll seems in order.</blockquote>