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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7217030" data-attributes="member: 23751">This is a DM call.  However, in my opinion the knight is basically declaring his action and since he wasn't stealthed, he was noticeable and others could notice the beginnings of that movement and move to prevent it.  Hence combat.That's a playstyle call.  Some DMs will call for the check, or at least ask if the PC is going to be stealthy.  Other DMs like me will just treat the PC as not being stealthy unless the player states that the PC is being stealthy.Not necessarily.  However, the desire of the wizard to stop it definitely starts combat.  You now have two opposing sides.As noted in other posts.  You don't have to make the perception check.  The dispel can target the effect.</blockquote>