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<blockquote data-quote="scourger" data-source="post: 2045661" data-attributes="member: 12328">Well, I read the d20M SRD and had the book for a while.&nbsp; Overall, I just didn't get it.&nbsp; I thought its precursor, Shadow Chasers, was a neat mini-game; but the idea of d20M lost me somehwere.&nbsp; So, I sold it as well as my copy of Sidewinder.&nbsp; It's better if they go to other gamers who may acutally use them.&nbsp; I just realized that I was not going to use either product, even though I enjoyed reading them both (especially Sidewinder).&nbsp; Part of this realization was that d20 D&amp;D does what I need the game to do.&nbsp; If I want other genres, I want them &quot;bolted-onto&quot; the d20 D&amp;D game.&nbsp; For me, the best of these alternate-genre d20 games are Omega World, Judge Dredd and Star Wars (really its own game, but I like it).&nbsp; I find that these games present just enough change to allow me to play games in non-sword-&amp;-sorcery-fantasy genres without learning too many new rules.&nbsp; And the alternate rules that are there make sense for play in the different era.&nbsp; It's a subjective standard that I have difficulty quantifying, but there it is.&nbsp; Another issue for me is that my players are intolerant of non-D&amp;D games to varying degrees.&nbsp; A couple members of our group even quit because we weren't playing their brand of D&amp;D exclusively.&nbsp; A few weeks of Spellslinger is probably the only western gaming I will be able to do with this group.&nbsp; I'd love to get them back to DragonStar for Raw Recruits, but I just don't think it's ever going to happen.&nbsp; The ones who are left love my Shackled City D&amp;D game with mutants, jedi, judges &amp; aasimar paladins added, though; and I could probably even entice the departed two back to the table with a standard D&amp;D game.&nbsp; Sidewinder would be a hard sell even if I wanted to do all the conversion work.If I could get another western game together, I would want pre-printed adventures.&nbsp; I know the original Sidewinder had a few adventures in the back of the book, but I would want a mini-campaign's worth: either one big module or a few smaller, connected adventures.&nbsp; I'll revisit the DHR web site to see if you have anything like this availabe or in the works.To get this reply somewhat back on-topic, I would definitely use my Spellslinger technique of converting D&amp;D adventures to run in my western D&amp;D game.&nbsp; I used some short ones from Dungeon before.&nbsp; If I had it to do again, I would take any modules that had good western-sounding themes and cut out all the magic to make them suitable for a historical game with adventurers on the wild western frontier.&nbsp; Also, I would put emphasis on Craft (Sundry), Knowledge (The West) and Profession (Cowboy) to make non-combat skills attainable and useful.&nbsp; These skills are of my own devising just now, but I have used similar one-skill-fits-all options to good effect in other campaigns to encourage and reward players who took them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="scourger, post: 2045661, member: 12328"] Well, I read the d20M SRD and had the book for a while. Overall, I just didn't get it. I thought its precursor, Shadow Chasers, was a neat mini-game; but the idea of d20M lost me somehwere. So, I sold it as well as my copy of Sidewinder. It's better if they go to other gamers who may acutally use them. I just realized that I was not going to use either product, even though I enjoyed reading them both (especially Sidewinder). Part of this realization was that d20 D&D does what I need the game to do. If I want other genres, I want them "bolted-onto" the d20 D&D game. For me, the best of these alternate-genre d20 games are Omega World, Judge Dredd and Star Wars (really its own game, but I like it). I find that these games present just enough change to allow me to play games in non-sword-&-sorcery-fantasy genres without learning too many new rules. And the alternate rules that are there make sense for play in the different era. It's a subjective standard that I have difficulty quantifying, but there it is. Another issue for me is that my players are intolerant of non-D&D games to varying degrees. A couple members of our group even quit because we weren't playing their brand of D&D exclusively. A few weeks of Spellslinger is probably the only western gaming I will be able to do with this group. I'd love to get them back to DragonStar for Raw Recruits, but I just don't think it's ever going to happen. The ones who are left love my Shackled City D&D game with mutants, jedi, judges & aasimar paladins added, though; and I could probably even entice the departed two back to the table with a standard D&D game. Sidewinder would be a hard sell even if I wanted to do all the conversion work. If I could get another western game together, I would want pre-printed adventures. I know the original Sidewinder had a few adventures in the back of the book, but I would want a mini-campaign's worth: either one big module or a few smaller, connected adventures. I'll revisit the DHR web site to see if you have anything like this availabe or in the works. To get this reply somewhat back on-topic, I would definitely use my Spellslinger technique of converting D&D adventures to run in my western D&D game. I used some short ones from Dungeon before. If I had it to do again, I would take any modules that had good western-sounding themes and cut out all the magic to make them suitable for a historical game with adventurers on the wild western frontier. Also, I would put emphasis on Craft (Sundry), Knowledge (The West) and Profession (Cowboy) to make non-combat skills attainable and useful. These skills are of my own devising just now, but I have used similar one-skill-fits-all options to good effect in other campaigns to encourage and reward players who took them. [/QUOTE]

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