Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6472147" data-attributes="member: 4937">I've only been a player in FR; I've never ran it as a DM. Generally speaking, I'm pretty happy with the demographics of the Forgotten Realms if you divide everyone's levels in half.  My players just left Talernga, the Gem of the Storm Coast, the Broach of the Free Cities, Talernga the Many-Terraced, City of Towers and Learning and one of the six or so greatest cities on all of Korrel.  It's comparable in size to Waterdeep.The highest level NPCs in the city, other than the BBEG and his allies, that I won't list to avoid spoilers:His Majesty the Hinga, Alberic Saabhac II, King over Talergna: Human Fighter 2/Expert 5His High Majesty the Hurin, Farmanus Karahal IV, King over Talernga: Human Fighter 6/Explorer 2Lord High Warden Lemankath, Elf 10th level HunterThe Honorable Lord Edhelhard, Mayor of the Palace: Elf Expert 9/Wizard 6 His Grace Andus Brocmain, Lord Polemark of Talernga: Human Fighter 10Professor Whulfstan, Chair of the College of Metaphysics, University of Talernga:  Human Wizard 1/Explorer 1/Expert 6Matriarch Elvessa Demulan, High Priestess of Aymara: Human Cleric 14Mother Ileen Detorres, High Priestess of Jord: Human Brute 1/Cleric 7Reverend Mother Tabitha Ivar, High Priestess of Showna: Human Cleric 9 I wouldn't imagine the unnamed personages above 7th level amount to much more than that.  The situation is even lower powered than the above appears.  For example, Tabitha Ivar is a woman in her 70's with no physical scores (STR, DEX, CON) above a 5, and who hobbles about on canes and is carefully carried down stairs by her servants.   Except for the Hurin, none of the above have a effective challenge rating even as high as their level. What's my point?  I detest the FR.  It's an entire setting meant to deprotagonize the PC's.  You complain that it only got worse the longer it went, but the seeds of it were there right from the start.  It reminds me most of Ultima IV, where everyone was supposedly under attack by orcs and other monsters, except that to deter PC's from attacking townsfolk, merchants and city guards and other average people were so powerful they should have made short work of most of the games dungeons and could have gone toe to toe with almost any monster in the game.  Certainly by the time you got where you could have, if you wanted to, ransacked a town, you could beat the game.  In the FR, there is nothing you can do as a PC below 5th level that couldn't be more effectively and reasonably done by NPCs.  The most rational thing for a player below 5th level to do when encountering any difficulty is run to the 'grownups' for help.  After all, the merchant, his wife, the bartender, the bouncer, and the stable boy are probably higher level than you are.The last TSR product I ever bought was "Haunted Halls of Evenstar".  It was so bad, I quit D&D and bought the GURPS core book.</blockquote>

Verification