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<blockquote data-quote="seregil" data-source="post: 6472945" data-attributes="member: 38425"><p>Ok, if were going to debate the merits of the various power levels as pertaining to FR, let's gets some facts. What are the NPC presented in the original FR boxed set. The boxed set included two books, DM's Sourcebook of the Realms and the Cyclopedia of the Realms. Let's Look at all NPCs level 11+.</p><p></p><p>Cyclopedia of the Realms:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Adventuring Companies: 13 companies, Laeral is mentionned as level 24, one F11 and one M13 (retired). Most are 5th or 6th.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Arabel: Gondegal is said to be level 20. Myrmeem Lhal is level 12.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Baldurs Gate: The Dukes are levels 20, 17,16 and 20.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Battledale: F12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Beregost: M16, C16</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Citadel of the Raven: M12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Darkhold: M12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Eltural: Cav12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Forgotten Forest: D16</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Greycloak Hills: F7/M11</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">High Dale: R12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> High Horn Cav15</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Hluthvar: C13</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Impiltur: F15</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Iriabor: C12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Knights of the north, advenuring band, M12, M11</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Lantan: C24</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Mercenary Companies: 6 companies, Flaming Fist not detailed, F12, F11, F11</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Mintarn : F15, M12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Mulmaster: F18</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Procampur: Cav11</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Suzail: King Azoun Cav20, W15, F15</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Voonlar: C12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Zhentil Keep: C13</li> </ul><p></p><p>DM's Sourcebook of the Realms (list of NPCs, I will give summary only, some duplication of the the other book, I have skipped them when I could)</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> D16</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> W11</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> R11</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> F14</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> W26 (Elminster)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> W11</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> C15</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> F12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> W26+ (Khelben)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> W11</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> w16</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> w11</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> w20</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Pal14</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> w12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> w12</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> w27 (Symbul)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> w22 Sylune</li> </ul><p></p><p>That's it. 55 NPCs above level 10, 5 are above level 20. Also important is that, at this point, there are no special abilities for NPCs (e.g. The Chosen). Not too bad for an entire continent of several millions people. Where I agree it's abusive is the "patrols of 40 men, all level 2 fighters or better". That being said, an orc horde or two can, and has, destroyed everything in its path.</p><p></p><p>The power level goes up again in FR1 and far less so in FR5. However, we are far from the stableboy kicking in the teeth of an orc raider while the butcher holds off 20 hobgoblins.</p><p></p><p>Is the power level higher than "vanilla" DND 1e? Yes. Is it higher than Greyhawk? Not sure, but if it is, not by much. Greyhawk had guys like Iuz running around.</p><p></p><p>So, sorry, FR wasn't that bad in the beginning. The power creep came later as each subsequent product added more powers, spells, abilities to the NPCs. In its original form, the NPCs followed the same rules as the PCs. All in all, a power level I can live with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="seregil, post: 6472945, member: 38425"] Ok, if were going to debate the merits of the various power levels as pertaining to FR, let's gets some facts. What are the NPC presented in the original FR boxed set. The boxed set included two books, DM's Sourcebook of the Realms and the Cyclopedia of the Realms. Let's Look at all NPCs level 11+. Cyclopedia of the Realms: [LIST] [*]Adventuring Companies: 13 companies, Laeral is mentionned as level 24, one F11 and one M13 (retired). Most are 5th or 6th. [*]Arabel: Gondegal is said to be level 20. Myrmeem Lhal is level 12. [*] Baldurs Gate: The Dukes are levels 20, 17,16 and 20. [*] Battledale: F12 [*] Beregost: M16, C16 [*] Citadel of the Raven: M12 [*] Darkhold: M12 [*] Eltural: Cav12 [*]Forgotten Forest: D16 [*]Greycloak Hills: F7/M11 [*]High Dale: R12 [*] High Horn Cav15 [*] Hluthvar: C13 [*]Impiltur: F15 [*]Iriabor: C12 [*] Knights of the north, advenuring band, M12, M11 [*] Lantan: C24 [*] Mercenary Companies: 6 companies, Flaming Fist not detailed, F12, F11, F11 [*] Mintarn : F15, M12 [*] Mulmaster: F18 [*] Procampur: Cav11 [*] Suzail: King Azoun Cav20, W15, F15 [*] Voonlar: C12 [*] Zhentil Keep: C13 [/LIST] DM's Sourcebook of the Realms (list of NPCs, I will give summary only, some duplication of the the other book, I have skipped them when I could) [LIST] [*] D16 [*] W11 [*] R11 [*] F14 [*] W26 (Elminster) [*] W11 [*] C15 [*] F12 [*] W26+ (Khelben) [*] W11 [*] w16 [*] w11 [*] w20 [*] Pal14 [*] w12 [*] w12 [*] w27 (Symbul) [*] w22 Sylune [/LIST] That's it. 55 NPCs above level 10, 5 are above level 20. Also important is that, at this point, there are no special abilities for NPCs (e.g. The Chosen). Not too bad for an entire continent of several millions people. Where I agree it's abusive is the "patrols of 40 men, all level 2 fighters or better". That being said, an orc horde or two can, and has, destroyed everything in its path. The power level goes up again in FR1 and far less so in FR5. However, we are far from the stableboy kicking in the teeth of an orc raider while the butcher holds off 20 hobgoblins. Is the power level higher than "vanilla" DND 1e? Yes. Is it higher than Greyhawk? Not sure, but if it is, not by much. Greyhawk had guys like Iuz running around. So, sorry, FR wasn't that bad in the beginning. The power creep came later as each subsequent product added more powers, spells, abilities to the NPCs. In its original form, the NPCs followed the same rules as the PCs. All in all, a power level I can live with. [/QUOTE]
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