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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 9670979" data-attributes="member: 2209">? just an FYI that 5e's elemental chaos is a reference to the much more developed 4e elemental chaos that ties hugely into ChaosKampf real world mytholgies. 5e's is an attempt to syncretize 4e Elemental Chaos with the pre-4e great wheel elemental planes including elements of both.I don't think my diving further into the lots I have read on Norse myths and recognizing the D&D fire and frost giant's origins there, the stone giants origins in the Hobbit, or the giants in Jack the Giant killer folklore who are easily tricked as the basis for the dumb D&D hill giants would help you get the specific reference of the 4e giants connection to 4e elemental chaos and how the 4e elemental chaos concept (and even the 5e description of the 5e elemental chaos if you tie giants to it) supports your mix and match for individuals narrative much more than 5e's sparse lore mostly limited to descendants and specific giant type ancestry. If you want a narrative of giant blood from any giant is enough to tap into elemental power based on any giant then the 4e elemental chaos discussions in books like the 4e PH, DMG, Manual of the Planes, the Planes Below, or Players Option Heroes of the Elemental Chaos could be useful for seeing elemental connection as potentially connecting to not just one element and secondarily the discussion of giants in 4e books like the various monster manuals and vaults and could be useful for seeing giants as people of the world with some elemental chaos connections they can tap. 4e has a lot of elemental chaos beings who are one element themed but it has a lot of hybrid element beings the closer you get to the elementals and primordials and certainly more than other editions of D&D. PH2 updates 3.5 goliaths for 4e but they are like the 5e Volo's Guide and focused narratively entirely on them as a race of mountain big folk and never mention giants at all or the elemental chaos at all. The closest is that they "they have wandered the mountain ranges of the world since the primordials first shaped the peaks and valleys."You consider Tolkien obscure for a D&D discussion? Then just as an FYI, there is a lot of Tolkien in D&D, from half the 5e core races to a bunch of core monsters to a number of magic items. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Was my reference of the Hobbit above too obscure for you?I really did not think 4e (and 5e) core book elemental chaos as more mix and match elemental stuff (because primordial chaos and elements is in the name) and giants' 4e core book elemental origin big themes (giants are on the Titan side of the ancient Primordials and titans versus the gods 4e cosmology central Dawn War where the gods one, ooh look a real world Greek mythology analogy reference<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) as deep cuts obscure references. I will give you that the 14 DMG discussion of the elemental chaos is only about a page long and few actually read the DMG.</blockquote>

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