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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 6257757" data-attributes="member: 27160">Because there seems to be an egregious misrepresentation around this (not originating with you, Wulfgar, but your post was a convenient one to reply to), I'll clarify a bit:- Warlords in 4E never were able to duplicate "Cleric-style healing". "Cleric-style healing" was Surgeless healing, which Warlords did not get. I'll come back to this below.- When a Warlord "shouts you back up" (or however you want to put it) you are NOT "fine". You are a down a healing surge, and this does NOT equate to "fine" - it equates to "a bit beat up" or "feelin' it" (or possibly worse, if that is not the only healing surge you've lost).- Surgeless healing in 4E is only available to magic wielding classes - and almost exclusively to Divine magic wielding classes. This is capable of healing you so that you are genuinely "fine" - because it doesn't take away any healing surges as it restores your hit points.- Hit dice in Next kinda-sorta equate to healing surges in 4E, but the fact that healing generally doesn't require them waters that down, and they are not really suitable for penalising physical skill challenge failure or such like, which takes away part of their utility. But apart from that they are similar.</blockquote>