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<blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 7021954" data-attributes="member: 23716">Hmmm...the idea has some merit, Hit Points and damage are meant to scale more so than attack bonus and AC.&nbsp; However, I think some of the implementation is a little too draconian.&nbsp; Spell casters only get a very few high level slots after all.&nbsp; I can see the need for Force Cage, for example, not being an &quot;I win&quot; button for any opponent that fits in the cage, but I have hard time seeing how the incredibly weak Weird needs any more restraint, high DC or not.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Prismatic Wall is a ninth level spell, let it have some bite; it already has a paltry ten minute duration.&nbsp; Some of the others I would need to think about, but I like the idea of progressive effects with the likes of Hold Person in particular.&nbsp; The problem with that spell that it is such an all or nothing save or screw, that the devs felt they needed to give a save every round to mitigate the effect.&nbsp; All this is does is make it most likely to be saved against fairly quickly when the caster first acquires it, then making it nigh un-savable at high levels when the caster has a high DC.&nbsp; If the spell instead offered progressive saves such that on the first save the target was slowed, on the second, restrained, and the third paralyzed for the duration, it might make it more interesting.&nbsp; Then again it might just make it more convoluted than it is worth.&nbsp; Maybe the target only gets a Save (with advantage) when they take damage?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gadget, post: 7021954, member: 23716"] Hmmm...the idea has some merit, Hit Points and damage are meant to scale more so than attack bonus and AC. However, I think some of the implementation is a little too draconian. Spell casters only get a very few high level slots after all. I can see the need for [I]Force Cage[/I], for example, not being an "I win" button for any opponent that fits in the cage, but I have hard time seeing how the incredibly weak [I]Weird[/I] needs any more restraint, high DC or not. [I] Prismatic Wall[/I] is a ninth level spell, let it have some bite; it already has a paltry ten minute duration. Some of the others I would need to think about, but I like the idea of progressive effects with the likes of Hold Person in particular. The problem with that spell that it is such an all or nothing save or screw, that the devs felt they needed to give a save every round to mitigate the effect. All this is does is make it most likely to be saved against fairly quickly when the caster first acquires it, then making it nigh un-savable at high levels when the caster has a high DC. If the spell instead offered progressive saves such that on the first save the target was slowed, on the second, restrained, and the third paralyzed for the duration, it might make it more interesting. Then again it might just make it more convoluted than it is worth. Maybe the target only gets a Save (with advantage) when they take damage? [/QUOTE]

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