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<blockquote data-quote="prospero63" data-source="post: 3660122" data-attributes="member: 16014"><p>How are you concluding that a huge spiked chain has more reach?</p><p></p><p>Reach (<a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm):" target="_blank">http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm):</a></p><p>Medium 5 ft.</p><p>Large 10 ft</p><p>Huge 15 ft</p><p>Gargantuan 20 ft</p><p>Colossal 30 ft</p><p></p><p>Medium Whip - 15ft reach (per description)</p><p>Medium Chain - 10ft reach (per description)</p><p>Large Whip - 20ft (Balor is example, but taking a medium to large conversion of 5ft, plus the base of 15ft per whip description matches as well)</p><p>Large Chain - 15ft (increase of reach 5ft for medium to large)</p><p>Huge Whip - 25ft (increase of reach 5ft for large to huge)</p><p>Huge Chain - 20ft (increase of reach 5ft for large to huge)</p><p>Gargantuan Whip - 30ft (increase of reach 5ft for huge to gargantuan)</p><p>Gargantuan Chain - 25ft (increase of reach 5ft for huge to gargantuan)</p><p>Colossal Whip - 35ft (increase of reach 5ft for gargantuan to colossal)</p><p>Colossal Chain - 30ft (increase of reach 5ft for gargantuan to colossal)</p><p></p><p>Now, I know (or think I know) where folks are going to try to go with this. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But I would contend, as evidenced by the above and by the only example I can find of a book large creature with a whip, that the above chart plays out appropriately. However, if you want to be a rules lawyer, fine. Then the next chart is the RAW (due to the fact that a medium whip has a defined reach in the description and the natural reach increase is defined in the aforementioned chart, and further is supported by an SRD creature that proves out the logic) and anything else is really a house rule.</p><p></p><p>Medium Whip - 15ft reach (per description)</p><p>Medium Chain - 10ft reach (double natural reach)</p><p>Large Whip - 20ft (Balor is example, but taking a medium to large conversion of 5ft, plus the base of 15ft per whip description matches as well)</p><p>Large Chain - 20ft (double natural reach)</p><p>Huge Whip - 25ft (increase of reach 5ft for large to huge)</p><p>Huge Chain - 30ft (double natural reach)</p><p>Gargantuan Whip - 30ft (increase of reach 5ft for huge to gargantuan)</p><p>Gargantuan Chain - 40ft (double natural reach)</p><p>Colossal Whip - 35ft (increase of reach 5ft for gargantuan to colossal)</p><p>Colossal Chain - 60ft (double natural reach)</p><p></p><p>Me? Personally? I find the prior to be more consistent, with game examples that support that use (Balor's whip being a prime example). I find the latter to be absolutely RAW. Doesn't mean a whip can't be different. But that difference is the difference between RAW and house rules, and should be categorized accordingly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="prospero63, post: 3660122, member: 16014"] How are you concluding that a huge spiked chain has more reach? Reach ([url]http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm):[/url] Medium 5 ft. Large 10 ft Huge 15 ft Gargantuan 20 ft Colossal 30 ft Medium Whip - 15ft reach (per description) Medium Chain - 10ft reach (per description) Large Whip - 20ft (Balor is example, but taking a medium to large conversion of 5ft, plus the base of 15ft per whip description matches as well) Large Chain - 15ft (increase of reach 5ft for medium to large) Huge Whip - 25ft (increase of reach 5ft for large to huge) Huge Chain - 20ft (increase of reach 5ft for large to huge) Gargantuan Whip - 30ft (increase of reach 5ft for huge to gargantuan) Gargantuan Chain - 25ft (increase of reach 5ft for huge to gargantuan) Colossal Whip - 35ft (increase of reach 5ft for gargantuan to colossal) Colossal Chain - 30ft (increase of reach 5ft for gargantuan to colossal) Now, I know (or think I know) where folks are going to try to go with this. But I would contend, as evidenced by the above and by the only example I can find of a book large creature with a whip, that the above chart plays out appropriately. However, if you want to be a rules lawyer, fine. Then the next chart is the RAW (due to the fact that a medium whip has a defined reach in the description and the natural reach increase is defined in the aforementioned chart, and further is supported by an SRD creature that proves out the logic) and anything else is really a house rule. Medium Whip - 15ft reach (per description) Medium Chain - 10ft reach (double natural reach) Large Whip - 20ft (Balor is example, but taking a medium to large conversion of 5ft, plus the base of 15ft per whip description matches as well) Large Chain - 20ft (double natural reach) Huge Whip - 25ft (increase of reach 5ft for large to huge) Huge Chain - 30ft (double natural reach) Gargantuan Whip - 30ft (increase of reach 5ft for huge to gargantuan) Gargantuan Chain - 40ft (double natural reach) Colossal Whip - 35ft (increase of reach 5ft for gargantuan to colossal) Colossal Chain - 60ft (double natural reach) Me? Personally? I find the prior to be more consistent, with game examples that support that use (Balor's whip being a prime example). I find the latter to be absolutely RAW. Doesn't mean a whip can't be different. But that difference is the difference between RAW and house rules, and should be categorized accordingly. [/QUOTE]
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