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<blockquote data-quote="fireinthedust" data-source="post: 5429715" data-attributes="member: 51930">Magic Missile:&nbsp; Aside from the PF version, I think the &quot;broad magic&quot; setting (ie: lots of low-level magic) could do well with also using scrolls of MM, and arming citizens with high enough Charisma to UMD with them.&nbsp; Not just wizards, then, but sorcerers and bards, paladins, clerics, and some rogues.&nbsp; No wands I think, but lots of scrolls; unless the wand rules are expanded for braod magical settings.&nbsp;&nbsp;Back on topic: the geist of what's being said is that it's unrealistic to assume uber monsters can be defeated by E6 characters.&nbsp; I get that, and agree on principle: it's a good idea for a generic encounter, or even a dungeon boss, to not use them.&nbsp;The OP, having quoted me for the OP, should know that the point I'm getting to is that having uber monsters in a setting doesn't mean they're like normal monsters or even need to be fought.&nbsp; That's the geist of what I'm saying (as has been echoed by a chorus of other posters here).&nbsp;So they have a place, it's just a rare one.&nbsp;And there are ways to beat them, they're just not standard methods.&nbsp;AND that using them is for story purposes and plot reasons.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fireinthedust, post: 5429715, member: 51930"] Magic Missile: Aside from the PF version, I think the "broad magic" setting (ie: lots of low-level magic) could do well with also using scrolls of MM, and arming citizens with high enough Charisma to UMD with them. Not just wizards, then, but sorcerers and bards, paladins, clerics, and some rogues. No wands I think, but lots of scrolls; unless the wand rules are expanded for braod magical settings. Back on topic: the geist of what's being said is that it's unrealistic to assume uber monsters can be defeated by E6 characters. I get that, and agree on principle: it's a good idea for a generic encounter, or even a dungeon boss, to not use them. The OP, having quoted me for the OP, should know that the point I'm getting to is that having uber monsters in a setting doesn't mean they're like normal monsters or even need to be fought. That's the geist of what I'm saying (as has been echoed by a chorus of other posters here). So they have a place, it's just a rare one. And there are ways to beat them, they're just not standard methods. AND that using them is for story purposes and plot reasons. [/QUOTE]

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