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<blockquote data-quote="Theo R Cwithin" data-source="post: 5429856" data-attributes="member: 75712">This brings to mind one of things that irritates me about 3e (and maybe also holds for other systems?): It's quite difficult to &quot;dial back&quot; most monsters.Precious few templates work to de-power things.&nbsp; I think I've only ever found four or five, all of which are very niche, except PF's &quot;young&quot; quick-template.&nbsp; And trying to unravel a creature HD by HD is just painful and error-prone, especially where oddball special abilities come in.That's why I've usually resorted to powering up a lower-level creature, instead.&nbsp; With dragons, this is easy because you have lower-level examples of the same creature to work with.&nbsp; Thus it's easy enough to take a juvenile red dragon and boost its size, slap an &quot;ancient&quot; label on it, and call it a day.&nbsp; With other creatures, though, it's usually more difficult.&nbsp; You could take a lesser similar creature and possibly power that up, but finding that &quot;similar&quot; creature isn't always easy.&nbsp; How do you take tarrasque or nightcrawler down a few notches?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Theo R Cwithin, post: 5429856, member: 75712"] This brings to mind one of things that irritates me about 3e (and maybe also holds for other systems?): It's quite difficult to "dial back" most monsters. Precious few templates work to [I]de[/I]-power things. I think I've only ever found four or five, all of which are very niche, except PF's "young" quick-template. And trying to unravel a creature HD by HD is just painful and error-prone, especially where oddball special abilities come in. That's why I've usually resorted to powering up a lower-level creature, instead. With dragons, this is easy because you have lower-level examples of the same creature to work with. Thus it's easy enough to take a juvenile red dragon and boost its size, slap an "ancient" label on it, and call it a day. With other creatures, though, it's usually more difficult. You could take a lesser similar creature and possibly power [I]that[/I] up, but finding that "similar" creature isn't always easy. How do you take tarrasque or nightcrawler down a few notches? [/QUOTE]

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