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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tellerve" data-source="post: 991154" data-attributes="member: 2412">Why yes, yes I can <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />I guess it is the way I view that maneuver and how I like my games to be run.  Since none of you agreed that the DC seemed too high and should be change that only affirms I won't be getting it changed in the campaign I'm playing in.  Oh well, the next one for sure <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.I think also my point of me doing it was lost somewhere.  I wasn't say I could do it in the middle of an orcish crossbow fight but that it isn't that difficult, by far isn't that difficult.  So when me, an untrained non-adventurer can do it, I don't think adding orcish crossbowmen add THAT much to the DC for a trained, hardened, monk who is all about tumbling and maneuverability.  At this point I think the thread should probably die off, since, I made my jab at the d20 rules canon and failed apparently.  I'll change my campaign and be happy I at least made you all think about some of the DCs in some of these books.Tellerve</blockquote>