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<blockquote data-quote="Cyclone_Joker" data-source="post: 6234051" data-attributes="member: 6750006">He has no &quot;new, ridiculous powers.&quot; Every ability I mentioned is over a decade old, most over two or three.First, he doesn't breath underwater, he just doesn't have to breath.Second, you're joking about the Thor thing, right? You're calling anyone else ridiculous when Thor is in the picture? Thor can fly faster than light and destroy planets with his bare hands. He can fight guys with Power Cosmic, which can break stars and crap, and come out on top. And that's not counting all the Odinforce crap.No you don't. The Abomination was only, and still is, stronger than a calm Hulk. The only thing that's changed about the Hulk in recent years is his self-control while enraged and his ability to become pissed faster.No he doesn't.&nbsp;He broke a reality warper's powers with his fists. He can punch time. He can grab lightning. This is old crap.By putting him against stronger things? He fought the Suentry, the Void, Heralds, Iron Man, Thor, Magneto, and so on. The guy who's demiplane he clapped away was ludicrously powerful, nearly deific in his own dimension....Dude? The Thing has taken punches from guys like Champion and the Gladiator. Namor can throw city blocks at the depth of the ocean and fly at crazy speeds....I'm beginning to think the problem isn't comic books. The problem is you. There were no halcyon days of the Hulk being &quot;big strong guy.&quot; He's always, always, always been absurd, powerful as guys who play on the cosmic scale. This is not news.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cyclone_Joker, post: 6234051, member: 6750006"] He has no "new, ridiculous powers." Every ability I mentioned is over a decade old, most over two or three. First, he doesn't breath underwater, he just doesn't have to breath. Second, you're joking about the Thor thing, right? You're calling anyone else ridiculous when Thor is in the picture? Thor can fly faster than light and destroy planets with his bare hands. He can fight guys with Power Cosmic, which can break stars and crap, and come out on top. And that's not counting all the Odinforce crap. No you don't. The Abomination was only, and still is, stronger than a calm Hulk. The only thing that's changed about the Hulk in recent years is his self-control while enraged and his ability to become pissed faster. No he doesn't. He broke a reality warper's powers with his fists. He can punch time. He can grab lightning. This is old crap. By putting him against stronger things? He fought the Suentry, the Void, Heralds, Iron Man, Thor, Magneto, and so on. The guy who's demiplane he clapped away was ludicrously powerful, nearly deific in his own dimension. ...Dude? The Thing has taken punches from guys like Champion and the Gladiator. Namor can throw city blocks at the depth of the ocean and fly at crazy speeds. ...I'm beginning to think the problem isn't comic books. The problem is you. There were no halcyon days of the Hulk being "big strong guy." He's always, always, always been absurd, powerful as guys who play on the cosmic scale. This is not news. [/QUOTE]

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