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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7726198" data-attributes="member: 996">Nod, this isn't formal logic, sure, I get that.&nbsp; It's a convenient short-hand in this instance, but it's outside it's proper usage, yes.&nbsp;Ironically, if I had to nominate a best-class-design-ever for a D&amp;D martial class, it would unhesitatingly be the 3e Fighter.&nbsp; Primarily because it was not just actually simple (as opposed to choice-poor), but elegant, yet had depth.&nbsp; It just had the misfortune of being in the same edition with CoDzilla.&nbsp; &nbsp;And I in no way want to prohibit people from continuing to play their Champions.
I just found the theory about 'story vs mechanics:' more like spin than theory.&nbsp; Mechanics don't get in the way of story, they can support it.&nbsp; OTOH, the most-relatable race, human, being the other half of that most-popular combo, points to a more meaningful reason, the concepts that necessarily fall to the fighter are more relatable than those that require a berserker, assassin, warlock, druid*, etc...
Moonsong.&nbsp; I'm a sympathizer, though.* I should really be more upset that my favorite 5e class finished dead last, but, hey, it's in the PH, and, I guess, it just means it's that much less likely I'll ever here &quot;nah, we already have 3 druids, play something else...&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7726198, member: 996"] Nod, this isn't formal logic, sure, I get that. It's a convenient short-hand in this instance, but it's outside it's proper usage, yes. Ironically, if I had to nominate a best-class-design-ever for a D&D martial class, it would unhesitatingly be the 3e Fighter. Primarily because it was not just actually simple (as opposed to choice-poor), but elegant, yet had depth. It just had the misfortune of being in the same edition with CoDzilla. And I in no way want to prohibit people from continuing to play their Champions. [indent] I just found the theory about 'story vs mechanics:'[indent] more like spin than theory. Mechanics don't get in the way of story, they can support it. OTOH, the most-relatable race, human, being the other half of that most-popular combo, points to a more meaningful reason, the concepts that necessarily fall to the fighter are more relatable than those that require a berserker, assassin, warlock, druid*, etc...[/indent][/indent] Moonsong. I'm a sympathizer, though. * I should really be more upset that my favorite 5e class finished dead last, but, hey, it's in the PH, and, I guess, it just means it's that much less likely I'll ever here "nah, we already have 3 druids, play something else..." [/QUOTE]

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