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<blockquote data-quote="Alexemplar" data-source="post: 7726333" data-attributes="member: 6874182">Being able to heal and having a magic sword, invoking promises, and using magic items are about the extent of this &quot;magic&quot;.&nbsp; Surely you think that being able to cast half a dozen spells every day using the same system that Morgan la Fay/Gandalf would use is a bit much in modeling that, right?&nbsp; &nbsp; By that logic, Bilbo/Frodo is an Arcane trickster/Bard rather than a Rogue because as a Hobbit, he's preternaturally stealthy and gains the use of various magical items throughout the story.&nbsp; Supernatural boons and assistance are a classic part of the hero's journey, which would make most any protagonist spellcasting 1/3, 1/2, or full progression by this logic.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; Going to have to agree with this in that Monks have many of the tropes and conceits of Wuxia warriors staked out fairly well. &nbsp; Not really.&nbsp; He only resorted to wrestling the Nemean Lion because shooting arrows and hitting it with his club didn't work and only wrestled the Cretean Bull because it was ordered to be brought to him alive.&nbsp; He ended up just shooting the Ceryneian Hind, the Stymphalian Birds, and .&nbsp; His other foes were slain through a combination of firing arrows and melee combat with sword or club and the occasional bit of ingenuity. I mean one could say that because half his labors involved hunting animals, that he was a Ranger. &nbsp;But most importantly, he did not fly into rages- the defining ability of the Barbarian that they regularly do several times a day and around which pretty much all its subclass abilities are based.&nbsp; This pretty much drives them to exclusive use of the biggest two handed melee weapon they can find, which is also a defining barbarian aesthetic.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's kind of how you're defining it, though.&nbsp; Strong/tough?&nbsp; You're a Barbarian. Magical items/boons from background? You're a Paladin/Ranger. Asian martial-artist? Monk. If a Fighter is generally defined as a &quot;Warrior who doesn't have any kind of supernatural/magical aid or items or distinguishing exploration/social/cultural tricks&quot; then yeah, you're going to have a very restricted list of &quot;Fighters&quot; both within and without.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alexemplar, post: 7726333, member: 6874182"] Being able to heal and having a magic sword, invoking promises, and using magic items are about the extent of this "magic". Surely you think that being able to cast half a dozen spells every day using the same system that Morgan la Fay/Gandalf would use is a bit much in modeling that, right? By that logic, Bilbo/Frodo is an Arcane trickster/Bard rather than a Rogue because as a Hobbit, he's preternaturally stealthy and gains the use of various magical items throughout the story. Supernatural boons and assistance are a classic part of the hero's journey, which would make most any protagonist spellcasting 1/3, 1/2, or full progression by this logic. Going to have to agree with this in that Monks have many of the tropes and conceits of Wuxia warriors staked out fairly well. Not really. He only resorted to wrestling the Nemean Lion because shooting arrows and hitting it with his club didn't work and only wrestled the Cretean Bull because it was ordered to be brought to him alive. He ended up just shooting the Ceryneian Hind, the Stymphalian Birds, and . His other foes were slain through a combination of firing arrows and melee combat with sword or club and the occasional bit of ingenuity. I mean one could say that because half his labors involved hunting animals, that he was a Ranger. But most importantly, he did not fly into rages- the defining ability of the Barbarian that they regularly do several times a day and around which pretty much all its subclass abilities are based. This pretty much drives them to exclusive use of the biggest two handed melee weapon they can find, which is also a defining barbarian aesthetic. That's kind of how you're defining it, though. Strong/tough? You're a Barbarian. Magical items/boons from background? You're a Paladin/Ranger. Asian martial-artist? Monk. If a Fighter is generally defined as a "Warrior who doesn't have any kind of supernatural/magical aid or items or distinguishing exploration/social/cultural tricks" then yeah, you're going to have a very restricted list of "Fighters" both within and without. [/QUOTE]

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