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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6356207" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Those people certainly exist, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to this thread. Can you explain?</p><p></p><p>The issue here appears to be +1 to all stats, which is likely to be fairly meaningless in actual play, as Salymandyr says, because of the way D&D has worked for the last fourteen years (and indeed it would have been fairly meaningless in earlier editions too), in that you only get a useful mechanical effect on an even number, and further, not all stats are likely to have regular relevance to gameplay (moreso in 3E and later games, including 5E), as D&D is a specialized class-based game where it's typically best to let the specialist do his thing rather than all have a go.</p><p></p><p>Theoretically, that's the same value as three Feats. But the designers of 5E clearly recognise that, in practical terms, in their actual game, it's not that valuable. They seem to rate it at about, what, 2.2 Feats, given the human alternate is two +1s, a Feat, and a Skill?</p><p></p><p>So I can't see any obvious way in which this is a "balanced character" vs. "two-three stats w/dumpstats" issue. I mean, the choice is, essentially, between 16, 15, 13, 12, 10, 8, a Feat, and a Skill and 16, 15, 14, 13, 11, 9 and nowt else (or the former might be 16, 14, 14, 12, 10, 8 if the player was going for immediate power or something). In neither case is it "two/three high stats and the rest dumpstats". The extra 4 +1s in the standard human deal aren't making those latter three stats "not dumpstats". In fact the ONLY modifier change is the 13 going to 14. All the rest are identical. Nor, would I personally say, that RPing a PC with 9 in a score was likely to be different to 8, 11 to 10, 13 to 12, etc. 16 to 13, or 13 to 10, sure, but that's not what's going on.</p><p></p><p>With rolled stats, you might have a situation where those six +1s were more valuable - but I'm not buying that that would be an RP decision, because +1 is not really meaningful to RP. It would be a mechanical decision (however naive) either way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Presumably by this you mean that, if there were no Feats you felt were appropriate to the PC concept (or you felt, indeed, that they were actively inappropriate), you'd go with the +1s? I can see that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6356207, member: 18"] Those people certainly exist, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to this thread. Can you explain? The issue here appears to be +1 to all stats, which is likely to be fairly meaningless in actual play, as Salymandyr says, because of the way D&D has worked for the last fourteen years (and indeed it would have been fairly meaningless in earlier editions too), in that you only get a useful mechanical effect on an even number, and further, not all stats are likely to have regular relevance to gameplay (moreso in 3E and later games, including 5E), as D&D is a specialized class-based game where it's typically best to let the specialist do his thing rather than all have a go. Theoretically, that's the same value as three Feats. But the designers of 5E clearly recognise that, in practical terms, in their actual game, it's not that valuable. They seem to rate it at about, what, 2.2 Feats, given the human alternate is two +1s, a Feat, and a Skill? So I can't see any obvious way in which this is a "balanced character" vs. "two-three stats w/dumpstats" issue. I mean, the choice is, essentially, between 16, 15, 13, 12, 10, 8, a Feat, and a Skill and 16, 15, 14, 13, 11, 9 and nowt else (or the former might be 16, 14, 14, 12, 10, 8 if the player was going for immediate power or something). In neither case is it "two/three high stats and the rest dumpstats". The extra 4 +1s in the standard human deal aren't making those latter three stats "not dumpstats". In fact the ONLY modifier change is the 13 going to 14. All the rest are identical. Nor, would I personally say, that RPing a PC with 9 in a score was likely to be different to 8, 11 to 10, 13 to 12, etc. 16 to 13, or 13 to 10, sure, but that's not what's going on. With rolled stats, you might have a situation where those six +1s were more valuable - but I'm not buying that that would be an RP decision, because +1 is not really meaningful to RP. It would be a mechanical decision (however naive) either way. Presumably by this you mean that, if there were no Feats you felt were appropriate to the PC concept (or you felt, indeed, that they were actively inappropriate), you'd go with the +1s? I can see that. [/QUOTE]
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