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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 6114984" data-attributes="member: 23484">You know this is not what the thread is about. If you do not see a qualitative difference between a player wanting to play a dragon and a player wanting to play an orc, then there is no conversation to be had. All this is fine -- in fact, I think we're on the exact same page. Kobolds -- weaker than any other pc race. Check. Drow and Githynaki real threats and not a PC race. Check.Bugbear "a 3HD monster" -- well, it's 4 dice in the current pack (18 hit points), but fine -- they are beefy. I think you mean a lot more though by the phrase "3HD monster".  3.x had the level-adjustment mechanic, and had humanoid levels to beef up creatures. That's not what I am advocating. And if the Bugbear were written in a way that made if feel like it was some bigger creature, with more raw bulk, then that too would take it out of the category of race I'm considering. But it isn't.Again, we're actually agreeing here. If the designers power-up these races so that they are incompatible with being played as a first-level PC, fine. That's a win. As they are, they have been powered-down (without this goal of making playable races in mind, evidently), so that all of the races being considered are underpowered compared to a level-1 PC. In fact, I made only three suggestions for "powering up" the races:-- making kobolds mildly tricksy -- giving bugbears and gnolls a few hit points though the toughness feet-- making some feats available to races that aren;t available universally. All of these were kept separate from the actual descriptions. All of them were an attempt to make something distinctive about playing one of the races in question. My claim is that none of these makes the races PC inappropriate. In fact, I'd claim none of them make the races equal to any other PC race we've been given. But they would be viable, if weaker.I really don't think we're that far apart.</blockquote>

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