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Hustle + Spring Attack= Problem
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<blockquote data-quote="sidomar" data-source="post: 1864173" data-attributes="member: 26185"><p>I may be naive, but here is how I read the descriptions in the PHB and XPH:</p><p></p><p>1. A player typically gets 1 move and 1 standard action per round, 2 move actions, OR 1 full round action.</p><p></p><p>2. Spring Attack description reads:</p><p></p><p>"When using the attack action with a melee weapon, you can move both before and after the attack, provided that your total distance moved is not greater than your speed. Moving in this way does not provoke an attack of opportunity from the defender you attack, though it might provoke attacks of opportunity from other creatures, if appropriate."</p><p></p><p>It specifies 'attack action' because a player typically gets a standard action with their move - they do not get a full round action.</p><p></p><p>3. Hustle's power description reads:</p><p></p><p>"You gain an additional move action in the current round. Taking a full round’s worth of attacks and then using this power to move away from your foe does provoke attacks of opportunity."</p><p></p><p>The second sentence is added because an AoO is provoked when leaving a threatened square- Hustle does not negate this.</p><p></p><p>MY TWO CENTS (worth only 1 cent in today's market): Neither description takes the other into consideration. Spring Attack allows the player to split their move before AND after their action for the round. Hustle adds an additional move action in the round, allowing for a move and a full attack action. I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The power description doesn't indicate "before or after" - it simply states additional move action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sidomar, post: 1864173, member: 26185"] I may be naive, but here is how I read the descriptions in the PHB and XPH: 1. A player typically gets 1 move and 1 standard action per round, 2 move actions, OR 1 full round action. 2. Spring Attack description reads: "When using the attack action with a melee weapon, you can move both before and after the attack, provided that your total distance moved is not greater than your speed. Moving in this way does not provoke an attack of opportunity from the defender you attack, though it might provoke attacks of opportunity from other creatures, if appropriate." It specifies 'attack action' because a player typically gets a standard action with their move - they do not get a full round action. 3. Hustle's power description reads: "You gain an additional move action in the current round. Taking a full round’s worth of attacks and then using this power to move away from your foe does provoke attacks of opportunity." The second sentence is added because an AoO is provoked when leaving a threatened square- Hustle does not negate this. MY TWO CENTS (worth only 1 cent in today's market): Neither description takes the other into consideration. Spring Attack allows the player to split their move before AND after their action for the round. Hustle adds an additional move action in the round, allowing for a move and a full attack action. I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive? The power description doesn't indicate "before or after" - it simply states additional move action. [/QUOTE]
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