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Message: <blockquote data-quote="0-hr" data-source="post: 264195" data-attributes="member: 4734">From the SRD:I am making an encounter where 4 Allip come babbling out of the shadows and attack the party. Assume that they get surprise and babble (standard action). I'm unlcear as to how things proceed. Here's my guess at a couple of different options:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------OPTION ONE:- Surprise round. Allips babble and every party member needs to make 4 Will(16) saves or be hypnotizes for 2-4 rounds (durations overlap rather than stack). No-one gets the +2 for being "in-combat" since the fight hasn't really started yet.- Initiative is rolled and the first full round starts. The Allip move forward to attack the active party members. For the hypnotized folks, this is a "potential threat" and so they get another save. Even though they are now in combat, they do not get the +2 on the save because the spell was not cast in combat.- The Allips finish off the active party member(s) and move to the first of the hypnotized folks. As soon as they declare who they are attacking, that person snaps out of it because this is an "obvious threat" to them. Everyone else remains in a trance and the Allips periodically renew the duration with new babbling.- Eventually everyone is at zero wisdom and the fight ends.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------OPTION TWO:- Surprise round. Allips babble and every party member needs to make 4 Will(16) saves just like for option one.- Initiative is rolled and the first full round starts. As soon as the Allips move forward in a hostile manner (to attack anyone at all), everyone snaps out of the trance because this is an "obvious threat" to them. Clearly the allips plan to kill everyone, even if they are going to do it one person at a time.- The fight proceeds as normal with all party members active.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------So I guess my main question is this: "Does a bad guy attacking your friend count as an obvious threat to you if it is obvious that you are next on his list? Or is that just a potential threat?"</blockquote>

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