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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bawylie" data-source="post: 6901599" data-attributes="member: 6776133">I disagree. The outcome of an action against an unconscious or helpless character is certain, therefore no roll is appropriate. However, let's explore some mitigating circumstances:The ally is down, but a PC nearby specifically defends and protects them until help can arrive. The giant attempts to nab the unconscious ally. Now, we have uncertainty. We don't know the outcome, so we need (maybe an opposed) check to determine what happens next. Next scenario. The ally is down. The giant is 30 ft away. The PCs are 30 ft away. Both sides move to the downed ally. If we're still on initiative, then whoever's turn it is gets there first. No uncertainty, no roll needed for what's next. If we're NOT on initiative, we don't really know who arrives first. Maybe you'll use the movement speeds of the participants to determine who gets there. Maybe the giant is content to move at its base speed while the PCs are motivated to sprint. There's uncertainty. I might allow a strength (athletics) test to see if a character with a lower speed could sprint and arrive before a creature with a higher speed (especially if the player says something like "well I'll sprint or dash or whatever so I can get there first). Ultimately it's a case by case basis that relies on your judgments on the totality of the circumstances. There is No Rule, but there are several considerations. -Brad</blockquote>