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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 9841828" data-attributes="member: 725">D&D is a system, not a world imho. There are D&D worlds/settings like Forgotten Realms, Mystera, Ravenloft, Dragonlance, etc.There have been many different editions of D&D that play very differently from each other, (just mentioning a few from my own experience) from D&D Basic, AD&D 2nd Edition, D&D4e, D&D5e, etc. For many D&D4e was not D&D, hence it's decline. But there were other attempts...While the Dragonlance card based SAGA system didn't have the D&D label, it was a D&D world, but was it with the card based SAGA system? It was apparently also used for a Marvel RPG, and then it died. It might have been good (and apparently many folks still really like the Marvel version), but the Dragonlance version wasn't D&D.On the flipside of this argument, there's been Star Wars RPGs with many different systems attached, WEG SW is drastically different from WotC SW, which in turn is drastically different from FFG SW... Then there's of course the fan made versions (some of which plug into D&D)... SW is thus not connected to ONE system, nor is Lord of the Rings, and many other famous IPs that didn't start in the pnp RPG realm. But there are still people that see one system as the ONE for them...You can label a game as D&D all you want, but it's still up to the majority of the fans to accept it (or not) as their D&D. And things like the ability scores, classes, and levels are pretty core to whatever D&D experience we've had in the past. Some might like it, others might not.But that's not to mean a system without ability scores is a bad one or one no one would play... We all play other RPGs, and sometimes we're more attached to a system OR to a setting (and sometimes both)...</blockquote>

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