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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SpiralBound" data-source="post: 2505961" data-attributes="member: 8396">[begin mega-post]These two sentiments bring to light an interesting aspect of roleplaying in general which, while not specifically ruleset issues, do directly affect how the rules will evolve over time.Just who the customer is of any given "generation" of D&D is an important factor.  While I'm sure that WoTC are happy that there were a lot of people who 'transitioned' from 2nd Ed. AD&D (including myself) to D20 3.5 I don't believe that the players from previous eras' were the primary target.  Why not?  Just look at the real life factors involved.When we're younger (approx. 10 to 17 yrs) we have a lot of time and ample "willingness to play" for a game like D&D.  This is also during those "formative years" that psycologists like to reference, thus we are also most likely to emotionally bond with the games of those time periods.  As people age, their interests will change, and the activities you engage in and the amount of free time you have will usually decrease.Once we are 18 to 25, many of us are in some form of secondary education, be it a university or some form of college or trade school.  We're often also working as well.  Some of us are even sidestepping the whole "higher learning" route alltogether and entering the workforce straight from school.  We have more commitments, more demands on our time, and less time/willingness/opportunities/interest in games.From our early 20's to our early 30's, some of us are getting married, starting families, advancing in or beginning our long-term careers, etc.  Even less time, and even less opportunities to game.  By now, many of the people who played D&D as children in their pre-teens are not even playing any more.  I'm sure that many of us remember people whe used to play with during our childhood who no longer play this game.  Those of us who do still play, do so because of a higher emotional commitment than those do don't.  This higher commitment level usually expresses itself as having learned a great deal about the rules & settings we prefer to play, and often can be seen in the form of a mini-library of books supporting your hobby.Those people who were playing a given ruleset as a 12 year old may or may not have a large library of books from that time period, but they will likely have several books from when they were 16-22, (this is assuming a person who is playing more or less consistantly from childhood to their 20's or 30's), around about your mid-20's to 30's, a lot of people have a lot of other financial concerns (car, house, kids, etc.) competing with maintaining this library with newer material in support of newer editions.   They also have many other things competing for their time as well (career, family, other "adult" hobbies, etc.), which further reduces their inclination and ability to learn a new system, especially given the "emotional bank account" of fond childhood memories of games gone by using the system they already know and love.Just how statisitcally likely is it that the 30something gamer is going to buy the latest edition of a game, as compared to the younger teenaged gamer just getting into the hobby?  Now some of us continue to evolve with the changing times, however such people usually have a VERY high commitment level (usually D&D is their only hobby in that case), have lots of money, or sell off the older books in favour of (and to help fund the purchase of) the newer stuff.  I'm willing to bet that a lot of the older gamers will simply stick with what they already have and only occassionally buy something new.For example, I'm in my early 30's, married, with a time-demanding career.  I started with AD&D 1st Ed in my teens and didn't own any books, I bought less than 10 books for AD&D 2nd Ed. during my early 20's, was considering the Players Option stuff, but then D20 3.0 came out.  I now have a sizeable library of D20 3.5 books.  When D20 4.0 comes out in 2+ years time, I will need significant justification to play it and even more to start buying the books for it.  After all, I'm familar with D20 3.5, I've already invested significantly in it - already I've reached the point where I don't really "need" more material in order to play the game.  I've effectively dropped "below the radar" as a highly likely revenue source for WoTC and the other D20 publishers out there.Were I a publisher of RPGs I wouldn't be looking at my demographic as having the better return on my efforts.  It would cost me far less to attract the younger player and that group would be more able to play and more likely to buy my products for a greater time period than the 30something "old school gamer" with a house, family, commitments, etc.  Obviously, the companies out there must continue to focus on the younger generations of new gamers in order to survive.  This forces the games we know and love to change over time, perhaps eventually becoming unrecognizeable even.  I bet that gamers who only know Chainmail shake their heads bemusedly at D20 3.5 or even moreso its derivatives like Iron Heros, Arcana Evolved, True20, Spycraft, etc <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />What is D&D?  Which version is the "true" version?  Which elements are needed to make a given game "truely" still D&D?  For the most part, to the people responsible for creating the published material for the current version of D&D these are irrelevent or patently obvious questions.  Only what is currently being sold is D&D.  Older versions WERE D&D, but they're sold now and neither those books nor even the audience that those books were aimed at are of primary concern now.  Only the people who are today's customers matter.  What type of game will THEY play?  What kind of books, rules, settings, etc. will THEY buy?  2005 D20 and Eberron are so different from 1980's AD&D and Forgotton Realms that the contrast is staggering.  The audience has changed and has different expectations than before, and thus just what "D&D" is has changed and will continue to change along with it.One day, today's 12 year olds will be in their 30's, gathering together on some 2025 equivalent of EN World, and espousing about how today's D&D isn't the "true" D&D and is nothing like the old days of when D20 was still new... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />[/end mega-post]</blockquote>

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