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<blockquote data-quote="stevelabny" data-source="post: 2613901" data-attributes="member: 9298"><p>Ok, one more question... To all those of you who said you don't read comics but that DC can't do this.... If DC did change Batman's status quo permenantly... would it prevent you from watching JLU or going to see the next Batman or Superman or Wonder Woman movie (which don't match the comics anyway) </p><p></p><p>I'm going to assume from most of your responses, that the answer is NO. you will still watch the cartoon, or the movies, or play the video games, or buy the toys.</p><p></p><p>So if you guys mostly agree that it wouldn't affect your enjoyment of the cartoon or movie or video game or toys... WHY can't DC do it?</p><p></p><p>I ask because as some of you might know, there is another "Crisis" coming to the DCU.</p><p>After the Crisis, the DCU will jump "1 year later..." </p><p>It seems that something big has been building up in the DCU, and I would not be surprised if this all ends with a new Batman. I actually HOPE Bruce dies and they stick with it, and then decide to age their characters normally, and move away from this "icon" nonsense.</p><p></p><p>I've been talking about this a lot at my comics hangout, and while some agree with me, some keep insisting that it couldn't be done because it is "too risky" or "bad business" .</p><p>Almost every comic right now sells UNDER 100,000 copies. That is a pathetic number, and with or without a drastic change in the way things are done, the industry won't be able to support itself in a few more years. Even if evolution is tried and fails, it can't do anything worse to comic sales than the current death by stagnation.</p><p></p><p>The "general public" will think that Batman is Bruce Wayne due to TV and movies, so changing the secret identity in comics will not impact any other profits. Even if there is a public outcry (or much more likely, a public eye-rolling) sales will not be affected because none of those people buy comics in the first place.</p><p></p><p>If the batman begins movie-goer can say "Batman begins is an origin story? Didnt he have his origin story years ago? Must not match up with the current comics. Do they still make comics? Whatever, I don't care, pass the popcorn." </p><p></p><p>Then they can also say "A batman movie with Bruce Wayne? I think I heard he was dead. Must not match up with the current comics. Do they still make comics? Whatever, I don't care, pass the popcorn."</p><p></p><p>Yes most of the comic audience now is old and likes these characters, and any time you remove or replace one, there will be angry fans, and possibly lost sales. Any time you tell this big of a story though, you will gain sales. And if it doesn't just feel like a cheap gimmick, but reads like a nautral story, it might actually keep some of the people who sampled it.</p><p></p><p>I think a HUGE event such as replacing Batman will draw free publicity to announce that the status quo is changing all around with the 1 year later event. It will be the best jump on point for one of the two comic universes in decades. </p><p></p><p>I continue to believe that one of the reasons that comics have not connected with kids is because the kids can tell that these are the same characters their parents grew up with, getting tiny makeovers that are supposed to make them feel modern, but instead make them feel forced.</p><p>One reason why new characters are never given a fighting chance to become popular, is because they are always overshadowed by the pre-existing legends. </p><p></p><p>These icons, who have already established themselves in other media, need to pass the torch on in the comic book world. There is no connection between the two, so there is no reason to pretend there is a connection.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevelabny, post: 2613901, member: 9298"] Ok, one more question... To all those of you who said you don't read comics but that DC can't do this.... If DC did change Batman's status quo permenantly... would it prevent you from watching JLU or going to see the next Batman or Superman or Wonder Woman movie (which don't match the comics anyway) I'm going to assume from most of your responses, that the answer is NO. you will still watch the cartoon, or the movies, or play the video games, or buy the toys. So if you guys mostly agree that it wouldn't affect your enjoyment of the cartoon or movie or video game or toys... WHY can't DC do it? I ask because as some of you might know, there is another "Crisis" coming to the DCU. After the Crisis, the DCU will jump "1 year later..." It seems that something big has been building up in the DCU, and I would not be surprised if this all ends with a new Batman. I actually HOPE Bruce dies and they stick with it, and then decide to age their characters normally, and move away from this "icon" nonsense. I've been talking about this a lot at my comics hangout, and while some agree with me, some keep insisting that it couldn't be done because it is "too risky" or "bad business" . Almost every comic right now sells UNDER 100,000 copies. That is a pathetic number, and with or without a drastic change in the way things are done, the industry won't be able to support itself in a few more years. Even if evolution is tried and fails, it can't do anything worse to comic sales than the current death by stagnation. The "general public" will think that Batman is Bruce Wayne due to TV and movies, so changing the secret identity in comics will not impact any other profits. Even if there is a public outcry (or much more likely, a public eye-rolling) sales will not be affected because none of those people buy comics in the first place. If the batman begins movie-goer can say "Batman begins is an origin story? Didnt he have his origin story years ago? Must not match up with the current comics. Do they still make comics? Whatever, I don't care, pass the popcorn." Then they can also say "A batman movie with Bruce Wayne? I think I heard he was dead. Must not match up with the current comics. Do they still make comics? Whatever, I don't care, pass the popcorn." Yes most of the comic audience now is old and likes these characters, and any time you remove or replace one, there will be angry fans, and possibly lost sales. Any time you tell this big of a story though, you will gain sales. And if it doesn't just feel like a cheap gimmick, but reads like a nautral story, it might actually keep some of the people who sampled it. I think a HUGE event such as replacing Batman will draw free publicity to announce that the status quo is changing all around with the 1 year later event. It will be the best jump on point for one of the two comic universes in decades. I continue to believe that one of the reasons that comics have not connected with kids is because the kids can tell that these are the same characters their parents grew up with, getting tiny makeovers that are supposed to make them feel modern, but instead make them feel forced. One reason why new characters are never given a fighting chance to become popular, is because they are always overshadowed by the pre-existing legends. These icons, who have already established themselves in other media, need to pass the torch on in the comic book world. There is no connection between the two, so there is no reason to pretend there is a connection. [/QUOTE]
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