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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 2621025" data-attributes="member: 4049">Some of these things did happen at one point or another in continuity.Depends.  If the creative team is doing something interesting enough, I may well continue reading.  However, it would really take a very creative team and to me, some of the changes you mention in your original post aren't what I consider to be reasonable, good changes for the purpose telling a quality story, but for the purpose of doing something shocking.  When Valley replaced Wayne, I didn't know if Wayne was going to return or not.  Still, I read the material because I liked some of what was happening.  In particular, I liked how the writers (intentionally or not) were so blatantly challenging all of those readers who had cried for years for a tougher, more brutal Batman who was willing to kill.  The ramifications of this sort of Batman were clear, even if the material was a little heavy handed.I don't always expect things to be "fixed."  I'll use The Killing Joke as an example.I disagree entirely with the direction that is hinted (not canon despite what too many fans and some writers think) about The Joker.  However, the material is so compelling, the writing so fantastic, and the art so beautiful that The Killing Joke remains one of my favorite comics despite the fact that it has caused some "harm" (as I see it) to the manner in which The Joker is sometimes portrayed (although I think it did an excellent job getting rid of Batgirl). Again, if the material is handled well, I would give it a chance, although it wouldn't be a huge chance.Let me make it clear that I don't mind some changes.  Killing of Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, and other headlining characters was tough to deal with, but made sense in the long run from both a business and storytelling perspective.  Of course, I also think that their demises were easier because they were both hiers to Golden Age heroes' thrones.  However, to many people, these were iconic characters.  For me, their ends opened up new arenas.  I think it's a mistake to bring back Jason Todd, Supergirl, or Batgirl for similar reasons that it's a mistake to eliminate Wayne as The Batman or Clark Kent as Superman.  The death of Jason Todd locked The Joker in the spot of The Batman's nemesis and forced The Batman to confront things he had avoided.  The elimination of Supergirl from continuity made Superman special again.  The elimination of Batgirl reminded readers that The Batman's world is a dark one and that he's not a "super-friend" with a "Bat-Family."  So change for me is not the issue.  The issue is the point and quality of the change.  I don't see much point or quality for eliminating Wayne as The Batman beyond doing it for a few high worth issues and publicity.Everytime I took a break from collecting, it was do to money or distractions (like a lot of work).  Still, if they actually did any of the things illustrated above, I don't know if I would continue buying or not.I don't think this is it at all...  At least not for me. When was the last time you read a comic book?  Iconic doesn't mean no change; it means that the changes will not be drastic.  The Batman evolves to fit into our culture's attitudes regarding dark justice with self-imposed limitations.  The Batman is far more a troubled force of nature than he is some "wierd creature" that beats up thugs because he has evolved over time.  However, this evolution is identical to that experienced in religions and myths.  The Zeus we know about today is different from the Zeus that the earliest Greek worshippers knew.  As his worshippers interacted with, conquered, and were conquered by others, their god evolved and changed.  However, he was still Zeus.  Accept no substitutes. Myth does not necessarily mean static.  It means that there should be growth but not necessarily worthless, needless change.  Of course, the debate could move into what is worthy change...Actually, I think some people in the "mainstream" would be prone to buy extra comics after the announcements showed up in the news....  Just to see what all the hub-bub is about.But that's part of the point.  The suit is not The Batman by himself.  Would it make sense to say that Indiana Jones could be someone other than Henry Jones, Jr?  Would it make sense to say that someone other than Clark Kent is Superman?  Would it make sense to say that someone else could assume the mantle of King of Olympians and still be Zeus?But if he's no longer in official continuity, that's not going to sate a broad array of people.Their legends live on by maintaining their roles as living heroes.</blockquote>

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