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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 4813440" data-attributes="member: 3887">That's what my 4e group is doing; pretending to be fantastic (if somewhat perverse) characters living (and looting) a fantastic (if somewhat perverse) world. What about your initial forays into 4e didn't give you this experience?  That's a bracingly honest way to put it. Let me give it a shot. Think of a Encounter/Daily martial exploits as if they were critical hits. Both are attacks that have greater than normal effect. Both occur with predictable frequency, given a certain number of attacks made in a certain span of time (okay, so it's very predictable in the case of Encounter/Daily powers, but bear with me).The chief difference is that Encounter/Daily powers occur when the player decides they do, and there's a hard limit to have many can occur in a given day. But viewed over time, from a statistical perspective, they're rather similar. Opportunities for greater effect occur during combat and are exploited. I mean, nobody gripes about a natural 20 being too gamist and non-immersive, do they? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Also, re: immersion in combat. 4e doesn't prevent players from making in-character tactical decisions. A 4e fighter can still decide to help an ally whose been surrounded, choose to shield a helpless peasant, charge through ranks of henchmen to get at the smirking necromancer, etc. Sure the mechanics representation of fighting is different, but that's been the case all along. Look at 1e. Minute long combat rounds which assumed multiple blows, tactical movement, feints, etc. that the player had no control over. A whole slew of tactical choices the player didn't get to make, because the system operated on a different level of abstraction. Which is what it boils down to, what level (and kind) of abstraction are you comfortable with?Our group does this and it works fine.</blockquote>

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