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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 1205404" data-attributes="member: 158"><p>People who down others who got into RPG's via video games are missing a very big point: RPG's began as an extension to a glorified board game - wargames share all the hallmarks of video games, including set victory conditions, limits to the actions taken, and predetermined maximum values for peices. IMHO, Board Games, War games, and Video games all have the same elements in common, but express themselves through different mediums.</p><p></p><p>I never played the old classics - Zork, Adventure, Wizardry I, etc. - But I played more than my share of Ultima 3 and 4, a bunch of text-based games, Wizard's Crown, etc. (Ultima 4 was in my opinion the best Computer RPG of all time, and was the only D&D-like computer game a friend of mine was allowed to play in his youth, but I digress)</p><p></p><p>There's nothing wrong with having a different cultural inheritance than other people - the people who spout "those damned diablo-players" and "the diablo-fication of D&D" and similar epithets are living through their version of <em>"Bah! Kids these days! In my day we liked ____ and _____, not this crap they do today!"</em> -- most don't realize it. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>"In my day, Star Wars was more fun, D&D was about Roleplaying, not video-gaming, and game companies cared about their customers. This crap they're feeding us now sucks, and they've taken all the fun out."</p><p></p><p>All I'm leaving out is the part about walking 10 miles uphill in the snow to get to school, and liking it. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> The fun's not gone, it's just not their kind of fun any more - it belongs to another generation, and some people get upset about it. So what do I do?</p><p></p><p>I just go back, watch "I love the 80's reruns" and live and let live. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Henry, post: 1205404, member: 158"] People who down others who got into RPG's via video games are missing a very big point: RPG's began as an extension to a glorified board game - wargames share all the hallmarks of video games, including set victory conditions, limits to the actions taken, and predetermined maximum values for peices. IMHO, Board Games, War games, and Video games all have the same elements in common, but express themselves through different mediums. I never played the old classics - Zork, Adventure, Wizardry I, etc. - But I played more than my share of Ultima 3 and 4, a bunch of text-based games, Wizard's Crown, etc. (Ultima 4 was in my opinion the best Computer RPG of all time, and was the only D&D-like computer game a friend of mine was allowed to play in his youth, but I digress) There's nothing wrong with having a different cultural inheritance than other people - the people who spout "those damned diablo-players" and "the diablo-fication of D&D" and similar epithets are living through their version of [i]"Bah! Kids these days! In my day we liked ____ and _____, not this crap they do today!"[/i] -- most don't realize it. :) "In my day, Star Wars was more fun, D&D was about Roleplaying, not video-gaming, and game companies cared about their customers. This crap they're feeding us now sucks, and they've taken all the fun out." All I'm leaving out is the part about walking 10 miles uphill in the snow to get to school, and liking it. :) The fun's not gone, it's just not their kind of fun any more - it belongs to another generation, and some people get upset about it. So what do I do? I just go back, watch "I love the 80's reruns" and live and let live. :D [/QUOTE]
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