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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6427557" data-attributes="member: 177">That it is a metarule has *nothing* to do with the Oops factor.  Oops rules can be meta, or not.  Separate the issues you have, please.  And no, the game system does not have a hole in it.   Fate games specifically seek to be able to include long-term injuries and other consequences for failure than straight-up immediate death - like, broken bones, or burns that take longer to heal, or loss of face among important people - and this is how the system accomplishes it.  Characters have short term stress boxes, and longer term Consequences.  It isn't a patch to keep people dying - it is a desired feature, an alternative to the traditional forms consequence-free hit points and nasty short-term death spirals. Atomic Robo has extended this, and added the Organization Consequences to allow impact on and narrative manipulation of some of the setting elements as well.  Not because it is easy for characters to die otherwise - the basic structure is like other FATE games that don't have the Organizations, and characters don't die much in those.  It is simply an added feature.  This has the effect of allowing the PCs to occasionally evade short-term damage, and keep rolling in really tough times - simulating things that happen in the fiction on which the game is based!  Instead of taking damage, they pay the price for it differently, as a long-term issue.  Rather than patching a hole, it allows the GM to turn it up to 11 occasionally, and not just kill off characters.So, I'm sorry, KD, but no, your characterization is inaccurate and unfair.  I get that you don't like the meta nature.  That's fine.  But beyond that, you're off base.</blockquote>

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