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<blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 9666378" data-attributes="member: 891">That's hard for me to answer because I've never read PbtA and only even heard of it in recent posts here.Maybe the things I find so well stated and revolutionary are old news to many of you. I've been seeing some reviews that are making that point. In which case it's value is that this advice is still 'new advice' to people who are coming from either 'just D&amp;D' or who like me come from independent games but put themselves in a circle a decade or so ago and are thus out of touch with the newest entries.I took 20 years off from the hobby, and when I came back I went straight into Pathfinder 2E. If it came out after 2005, I missed it unless it was part of Pathfinder 1E's early books that I bought but didn't even read for 20 years.They do cite a lot of inspirations and I've heard it stated that these take very heavily from some of the inspirations. Making the 'value add' here being that they mix them together well, and the added commentary they add which may or may not be of use to people who already know those inspirations.I do know that back when I was active in exploring lots of small press games, in the 90s, none of them had good GMing or player advice even when they shifted into radically different kinds of play. Their phrasing was 'by and for the in crowd'. If you sipped your latte in the same musky cafe as they did while listening to the same open-mic poetry, you got it. If not, you weren't cool enough.- So I tended to bounce off most of those 90s 'look at how cool our idea is' games.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kichwas, post: 9666378, member: 891"] That's hard for me to answer because I've never read PbtA and only even heard of it in recent posts here. Maybe the things I find so well stated and revolutionary are old news to many of you. I've been seeing some reviews that are making that point. In which case it's value is that this advice is still 'new advice' to people who are coming from either 'just D&D' or who like me come from independent games but put themselves in a circle a decade or so ago and are thus out of touch with the newest entries. I took 20 years off from the hobby, and when I came back I went straight into Pathfinder 2E. If it came out after 2005, I missed it unless it was part of Pathfinder 1E's early books that I bought but didn't even read for 20 years. They do cite a lot of inspirations and I've heard it stated that these take very heavily from some of the inspirations. Making the 'value add' here being that they mix them together well, and the added commentary they add which may or may not be of use to people who already know those inspirations. I do know that back when I was active in exploring lots of small press games, in the 90s, none of them had good GMing or player advice even when they shifted into radically different kinds of play. Their phrasing was 'by and for the in crowd'. If you sipped your latte in the same musky cafe as they did while listening to the same open-mic poetry, you got it. If not, you weren't cool enough. - So I tended to bounce off most of those 90s 'look at how cool our idea is' games. [/QUOTE]

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