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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 3881987" data-attributes="member: 1879">Exactly. Thank you. My faith in mankind is restored by someone on the internet actually understanding my point. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Sorry PC, It's not actually 4e. The 'narrative damage' meme has been one of my hot buttons since AD&D because it breaks so much internal and meta-game logic. Frex:My point is that I as a player can back you as a GM into a corner by setting up the narrative. Let's say Joe the 20th level fighter has become convinced that he is supernaturally tough and makes a bet with a commoner that he can survive any fall. He deliberately finds a big flat rock with no trees or softness at all, hops on his magic carpet and goes skydiving sans parachute. You can have a freak dust devil blow up out of nowhere, to save him, but what if he does it again? Suddenly a flock of turkeys appear out of nowhere for him to land on? The absurdities will rapidly become apparent in game. My point is that unless you really really contort your thinking HP as fatigue and scratches just doesn't work in the context of the narrative. The rules portray the physics of the world. My high level character can do a standing high jump in full plate and break all olympic records. Realistic? Nope. Not by the laws of our world, but in D&D there is no magic involved, he's just that good. The high level rogue can pick a bank vault without breaking stride ala the Stainless Steel Rat. Again no magic, and no funky narrative required, he's just that good.If you think of what's on your character sheet as existing in the game world, then HP are not boo-boos. If you think the Character sheet is an abstraction of our distorted view of some world that perfectly models our own (ignoring the whale sized flying lizards) wherein no one can do what cannot be done in our world then... I dunno. We're not playing the same game I suppose.  :\</blockquote>

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