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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3885065" data-attributes="member: 22779">The problem is, you can replace web with a plethora of spells at just about every level.&nbsp; Sleep, hold person/monster, various charms, wall of force, maze, take your pick.&nbsp; That's just a small sampling from just core.&nbsp; Never mind the massive number of spells out there.&nbsp; People whinge about the fact that there's a couple of thousand feats many of which aren't for fighters.&nbsp; How many spells are there?&nbsp; Every spell is effectively a feat and many are far and away more powerful than any feat.A fighter gets what 20 feats?&nbsp; Total.&nbsp; A wizard has 20 spells before 10th level.&nbsp; And, he gets to switch out his spells every day.&nbsp; And every one of those spells is as powerful or more powerful than a feat.&nbsp; I mean, what feat allows me to do a d6 points of damage per level to multiple targets within a 40 foot circle?&nbsp; Can a wizard do it all day long?&nbsp; Nope, but, then again, that's hardly the point.&nbsp; In play, when the casters run out of spells, the party rests (usually when a cleric runs out).&nbsp; Or, the wizard buys a wand and can effectively blast away all day long.No one answered this, so I'll ask again:Which would your party rather face - a 17th level fighter or a 17th level wizard?&nbsp; I remember a thread where it was reasonably argued that a 17th level wizard lich could defeat a million 5th level pc's.&nbsp; Yes, it was a joke, but, could a 17th level fighter make even a dent in those numbers?&nbsp; A 17th level wizard can level a city.&nbsp; A 17th level fighter gets grappled by a mob of commoners and dies.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3885065, member: 22779"] The problem is, you can replace web with a plethora of spells at just about every level. Sleep, hold person/monster, various charms, wall of force, maze, take your pick. That's just a small sampling from just core. Never mind the massive number of spells out there. People whinge about the fact that there's a couple of thousand feats many of which aren't for fighters. How many spells are there? Every spell is effectively a feat and many are far and away more powerful than any feat. A fighter gets what 20 feats? Total. A wizard has 20 spells before 10th level. And, he gets to switch out his spells every day. And every one of those spells is as powerful or more powerful than a feat. I mean, what feat allows me to do a d6 points of damage per level to multiple targets within a 40 foot circle? Can a wizard do it all day long? Nope, but, then again, that's hardly the point. In play, when the casters run out of spells, the party rests (usually when a cleric runs out). Or, the wizard buys a wand and can effectively blast away all day long. No one answered this, so I'll ask again: Which would your party rather face - a 17th level fighter or a 17th level wizard? I remember a thread where it was reasonably argued that a 17th level wizard lich could defeat a million 5th level pc's. Yes, it was a joke, but, could a 17th level fighter make even a dent in those numbers? A 17th level wizard can level a city. A 17th level fighter gets grappled by a mob of commoners and dies. [/QUOTE]

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