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I believe the Greyhawk Campaign setting was a missed opportunity for Wizards of the Coast.
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<blockquote data-quote="Evhelm" data-source="post: 6492116" data-attributes="member: 6781294"><p>Admittedly, what I have to say is just more unique, idiosyncratic individual experience, but I'll throw me two cents in!</p><p></p><p>I came to D&D just as 3e was ramping up. At the time, the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting guide was coming out, and the Greyhawk Gazetteer was <em>nowhere to be found</em>. Seriously. My parents owned a bookstore at the time, and Wizards (and their publisher who, at the time, I believe was Random House) were not doing more print runs of the Gazetteer. From what I learned in that business about how WotC's publishers handled stock, that meant that Greyhawk probably didn't sell as well as the FRCS. </p><p></p><p>For me, personally, (again, growing up in a bookstore) I ate up Forgotten Realms. I met Ed Greenwood and Bob Salvatore at booksellers conventions, and I gobbled up their novels. I could easily set campaigns in those worlds because the campaign setting was vast, detailed, and very user-friendly. The encounters I had with Greyhawk lore through the Core 3 were distant, muddled, and ultimately bland because there were no stories associated with them for me.</p><p></p><p>Having said that, I did read those 3e Greyhawk novels; I still own all of them and loan them out to my students who are looking for a good, brief, fantasy romp. My only criticism with those books as "set-pieces" is that they (once again) were entirely generic. The settings/places were quickly forgotten, and the only thing binding them together were the common character threads.</p><p></p><p>From a business perspective, I think WotC made the right choice with Forgotten Realms being the initial flavor of 5e. Is it still my favorite setting? Do I still eat up books by Greenwood and Salvatore? No. </p><p></p><p>From a rules perspective, I think WotC made the right choice with the <em>multiverse</em>. Having said that, I do absolutely see Forgotten Realm's influence as a "default" setting. It's not the same intensity of default as Greyhawk was for 3e, but I think an argument can be made for it. Most of the examples in the PHB/DMG/MM reference FR; they also often reference other settings, but FR seems to always be mentioned. </p><p></p><p>Now for the inevitable (again, idiosyncratic) pros & cons list!</p><p></p><p>Pros:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">FR has a wide media appeal: games and books galore!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Personally, all of the players in my gaming group have played in FR before. We have been able to learn the new rules without worrying about a new setting.</li> </ul><p></p><p>Cons:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">GH fans feel left out in the cold; where's the love?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">3e established a precedent of GH being the lens through which the game is viewed; WotC has gone even further away from that model.</li> </ul><p></p><p>Mixed:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The staggered release leaves everyone without a polished Campaign Setting (or knowledge of if one will ever be released for the new edition).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Personally, I'm a huge 3e Eberron fan and am hoping for some Eberron love; however, I do NOT think Eberron should/could be the default setting for D&D, so I'm understanding that I need to have patience.</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Evhelm, post: 6492116, member: 6781294"] Admittedly, what I have to say is just more unique, idiosyncratic individual experience, but I'll throw me two cents in! I came to D&D just as 3e was ramping up. At the time, the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting guide was coming out, and the Greyhawk Gazetteer was [I]nowhere to be found[/I]. Seriously. My parents owned a bookstore at the time, and Wizards (and their publisher who, at the time, I believe was Random House) were not doing more print runs of the Gazetteer. From what I learned in that business about how WotC's publishers handled stock, that meant that Greyhawk probably didn't sell as well as the FRCS. For me, personally, (again, growing up in a bookstore) I ate up Forgotten Realms. I met Ed Greenwood and Bob Salvatore at booksellers conventions, and I gobbled up their novels. I could easily set campaigns in those worlds because the campaign setting was vast, detailed, and very user-friendly. The encounters I had with Greyhawk lore through the Core 3 were distant, muddled, and ultimately bland because there were no stories associated with them for me. Having said that, I did read those 3e Greyhawk novels; I still own all of them and loan them out to my students who are looking for a good, brief, fantasy romp. My only criticism with those books as "set-pieces" is that they (once again) were entirely generic. The settings/places were quickly forgotten, and the only thing binding them together were the common character threads. From a business perspective, I think WotC made the right choice with Forgotten Realms being the initial flavor of 5e. Is it still my favorite setting? Do I still eat up books by Greenwood and Salvatore? No. From a rules perspective, I think WotC made the right choice with the [I]multiverse[/I]. Having said that, I do absolutely see Forgotten Realm's influence as a "default" setting. It's not the same intensity of default as Greyhawk was for 3e, but I think an argument can be made for it. Most of the examples in the PHB/DMG/MM reference FR; they also often reference other settings, but FR seems to always be mentioned. Now for the inevitable (again, idiosyncratic) pros & cons list! Pros: [LIST] [*]FR has a wide media appeal: games and books galore! [*]Personally, all of the players in my gaming group have played in FR before. We have been able to learn the new rules without worrying about a new setting. [/LIST] Cons: [LIST] [*]GH fans feel left out in the cold; where's the love? [*]3e established a precedent of GH being the lens through which the game is viewed; WotC has gone even further away from that model. [/LIST] Mixed: [LIST] [*]The staggered release leaves everyone without a polished Campaign Setting (or knowledge of if one will ever be released for the new edition). [*]Personally, I'm a huge 3e Eberron fan and am hoping for some Eberron love; however, I do NOT think Eberron should/could be the default setting for D&D, so I'm understanding that I need to have patience. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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