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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Danceofmasks" data-source="post: 4650473" data-attributes="member: 70765">And you'd be wrong.On the count that I'm a relativist, and on the count that D&D is absolutist. Ok, look ... I think it's quite obvious that chaotic creatures and evil creatures aren't ones likely to agree with others, but surely lawful good creatures have the same morals, right? Look, there's a hound archon. It's LG ...Look, there's a dwarven general. It's LG ...Look, there's a silver dragon. It's LG ...Put them in a bunch of circumstances, and I can guarantee the conclusions they jump to as well as their actions, both idealised and actual, wouldn't be the same. D&D deities, LG ones?Hey look, Ilmater is LG, what's he all about?What abou Horus-Re? He's LG, too!But where Ilmater reckons you ought to martyr yourself and suffer for the sake of others, Horus-Re reckons you ought to destroy anyone who hurts you! What's more, morality being what morality is, that is the presumption of a correct course of action without giving all factors due consideration, the more moral a person is (of any alignment), the more likely they are to be wrong.Being strong in LG doesn't stop you from being prejudiced, and it doesn't stop you from killing other LG creatures in cold blood, all it means is that your society (if you're chaotic you'd be individualistic) is collectively anal about a bunch of virtues that supposedly value quality of life. It doesn't stop you from being misled, or otherwise duped .. such as the classic "paladin mistakenly invoke doomsday device thinking they're saving the world" so it is only a measure of intent.And where intent is yardstick, you have LG folks who have int/wis of 5, and manage to be ignorant of the devastation they're actually wreaking, thereby maintaining their LGness. Alignments in D&D are more like a set of energies, not dissimilar to elemental energies, where a good spell is attuned to the outer planes of elysium, etc. just as a fire spell is attuned to the inner plane of fire. Oh, and on the subject of irl ... I'm amoral. Because as I said earlier, morality is presumptious. A crutch for those either too lazy, ignorant, or stupid to apply reason to their decisionmaking.The only proper way of making decisions is to give all factors due consideration, and just by saying something like "torture is wrong" is a symptom of incomplete reason.There is a time and a place for any act. So by the rules of D&D, I'd be attuned to the energies of the lawful and evil planes, and thereby susceptible to spells that target those energies.</blockquote>

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